Originally posted by PalynkaTrue. What I really meant was "you shouldn't teach one without the other". Teaching children to follow the law even if they don't understand it, is a very bad idea in my opinion. They should learn that civil disobedience can be a good thing when the law is unethical.
I don't know about that. I believe one may teach Law as a subject without teaching its values.
Originally posted by NordlysWere you disobedient as a child Nordlys? I know I wasn't really. But I was very rowdy.
True. What I really meant was "you shouldn't teach one without the other". Teaching children to follow the law even if they don't understand it, is a very bad idea in my opinion. They should learn that civil disobedience can be a good thing when the law is unethical.
Originally posted by mokkoThis is true. I was wondering from your experience as a mom. You wouldn't just go up and smack a kid and not explain to the kid why you whacked them would you?
Each kid is different and the same punishments won't work with each child. Some learn from a smack others learn better with time outs. You can't clump all kids together in regards to what types of punishments deliver the best results.
Originally posted by 7ate9I think they should never have done away with the strap. Kids and clasrooms are out of control because there is no fear instilled in kids anymore to enforce appropriate behavior.
what they were talking about had little to do with what it had to offer the children, but more about providing a safe environment for the teachers. do some laws get made on the best statistical odds?
the talk-back show was saying there's a school up auckland, which is planning to go ahead with corporal punishment of children, if they can get the permission ...[text shortened]... he parents. the school is a private christian school, so i can imagine getting permission easy.
Originally posted by 7ate9When I was @ school we used to get canned with anything from a fishing rod to a piece of bamboo.
the strap but no cane?
i spent some time at a christian school, probably similar to the one they were describing. there was a time when they used corporal punishment at that school, but it was never the strap. guys got canned and the girls got the paddle which was like a large flat wooden bat.
If it was not for the fear factor of getting canned there would have been riots.
Bring back the CANE...
There however needs to be some sort of monitoring of it because the standards of the teachers in the UK is rubbish. Possibly a certificate issued by the board of education.
As a kid I was afraid of everybody. My parents, especially the razor strop my dad used from time to time. (Anybody old enough to know what a razor strop is?) I was afraid of the neighbors because they’d squeal on me to my parents if I was seen doing something mischievous, and my parents would take the neighbor’s word for it. They police because they had authority. Teachers because they had authority, and if I got into trouble at school, I was in trouble at home. That razor strop didn’t kill me or cause any physical damage, but it hurt like heck, and it taught me respect for authority. The result was I never gave my parents or teachers a whit of trouble. You have to start discipline when children are little. You can’t wait until a kid is 10 or 12 years old then think you are going to instill respect and discipline in them. By discipline, I mean guidance and training, not just punishment. Part of the problem is many parents themselves don’t have any respect for anybody so can’t teach it to their kids.
Originally posted by cashthetrashI was far too obedient. Anyway, I wasn't talking about teaching the children to disobey their parents or teachers, I was talking about teaching them values so that they grow up to be people who recognize when a law is unethical, and who don't become supporters of evil politicians.
Were you disobedient as a child Nordlys? I know I wasn't really. But I was very rowdy.