I had a conversation recently with a chess player that I know in my local pub. I was trying to interest him in RHP, but he said that he only plays real time chess. I Pointed out that I can never guarantee being on-line at a particular time.
He pointed out that CC has the drawback that it is open to cheating (sic). What is to prevent a player using Fritz, Chessmaster or one of a number of quality chess programs to assist? As RHP is a website, what is to stop someone writing a robot player that submits moves to some grandmaster software automatically?
After thinking about this, I realise that cheating in these ways is missing the point. The reason why I go on RHP is a) to keep my grey cells ticking over and b) to improve my chess playing. Winning is not the primary objective for me.
What do others think about this? What level of assistance or consultation is acceptable? In my opinion, a book or website of chess openings presumably is acceptable, as is asking other humans to look over your shoulder at a position and give advice.
To me, chess is a puzzle. I want to figure it out on my own. I do not use books, I do not use advice people looking over my shoulder and I certainly would never use a program. I am stubborn. IF I win, I want it to be MY win. Not a books, not a friends, and not a computer program to be sure. I am selfish in this regard.
Having said that, I think it is fine for others to use advice, or openings from books. You have to learn from somewhere. But I think that is where the line should be. No programs, and no one to think for you. Learn from your mistakes. Thats what I do (at least I try too...)
I paid for my star, intstead of buying a chess program.
We are here to play against eachother. Not computers.
Jonathan
There a couple of folks on site having chess games between different programs: that's all up front, so why not.
In correspondance chess, there is often the use of databases (programs) that give some advice on openings. These players are just keen on getting into the thick of the midgame where they will play all on their lonesome without worrying overly on the startgame. They often play a lot of games, so the same start game over and over could get a little dull after all. Again, most players using them will be very up front about it, so no problem there. Just stick a line in your profile asking people not to do so if your not keen (like moi). NB a consequence of this is that a lot of RHP players play very unothodox starting games, just to screw up databases! And why not!
But as to those players 'leaning' on chess prgrams when the going gets hard: well they are clearly cheating. There's nothing you can do about it though, and do you REALLY care?
It can't be proved either: some players are quite good enough to emulate a great program, and some will even beat the good programs. If you suspect that's the nature of the game your playing, just play it out and then don't play them again. Yes, your rating might get a dent, but what the hell.
Originally posted by IvorWGood post, I agree...🙂
I had a conversation recently with a chess player that I know in my local pub. I was trying to interest him in RHP, but he said that he only plays real time chess. I Pointed out that I can never guarantee being on-line at a particular time.
He pointed out that CC has the drawback that it is open to cheating (sic). What is to prevent a player using Fritz, Ch ...[text shortened]... acceptable, as is asking other humans to look over your shoulder at a position and give advice.
Originally posted by IvorWIt depends on you.For me it is important to play in a known field, for that reason i try to play openings and learnd from databases, i also used to see many games frecuently where you get ideas of the positions. You learn more using database because anyway you will have to play yourself. Books and databases asures you a balanced game till the middlegame.
I had a conversation recently with a chess player that I know in my local pub. I was trying to interest him in RHP, but he said that he only plays real time chess. I Pointed out that I can never guarantee being on-line at a particular time.
He pointed out that CC has the drawback that it is open to cheating (sic). What is to prevent a player using Fritz, Ch ...[text shortened]... acceptable, as is asking other humans to look over your shoulder at a position and give advice.
But most of the time we get out of book early and we have to play ourself.
In conclusion depends on both players if both plays books will be in a good grownd till middled game.
Originally posted by IvorWwe can not influence how long the opponent analyses a position, we can not influence the books the opponent uses, we can not influence the opponent to the use of a database. we play as our leisure time permits, we analyze as deeply as our passion and understanding of the game allows.
I had a conversation recently with a chess player that I know in my local pub. I was trying to interest him in RHP, but he said that he only plays real time chess. I Pointed out that I can never guarantee being on-line at a particular time.
He pointed out that CC has the drawback that it is open to cheating (sic). What is to prevent a player using Fritz, Ch ...[text shortened]... acceptable, as is asking other humans to look over your shoulder at a position and give advice.
What do others think about this? What level of assistance or consultation is acceptable? In my opinion, a book or website of chess openings presumably is acceptable, as is asking other humans to look over your shoulder at a position and give advice.[/b]I think most people are on this site for two reasons.. .to have fun, and to learn and improve their game. What is cheating going to get you? A high rating? Nope, using a chess program to play your game is going to get the chess program a high rating, not you.
I think reading books and researching openings isn't so much cheating. I always have games going, and I'm trying to read and learn at the same time. If I see an opening, I want to know what my best options are for defending against it.. .this really just leads to a middle and end game that are more fun. I'm not going to wait until games =0 because then I'll never learn.
As far as looking over the shoulder, I dont' think that's quite right either... at least until after the game is over. I am the leader of a clan, and this topic has come up at times. I always tell my clan to play each other and learn from that, and give advice about mistakes and things AFTER games are played (or at least after the part of the game in question is past.)
In the end however, you have to just worry about yourself. You play how you play, and if you feel you have to cheat to win, by all means, do what helps you sleep at night.... As for myself, I just want to become a better chess player, and that means taking my lumps....