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Somebody analyze this.....Dave, Gil, someone!

Somebody analyze this.....Dave, Gil, someone!

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!~TONY~!
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!~TONY~! vs. T-1000

1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nf6 5.Nxf6+ exf6 6.c3 Bf5 7.Ne2
Bd6 8.Ng3 Bxg3 9.hxg3 0-0 10.Be3 Nd7 11.Bd3 Bxd3 12.Qxd3 h6
13.Bxh6 gxh6 14.Rxh6 Re8+ 15.Kd2 f5 16.Qxf5 Nf8 17.Rah1 Qe7
18.Rh8+ Kg7 19.R1h7+ Nxh7 20.Qxh7+ Kf6 21.Qh6+ Kf5 22.g4+ Ke4
23.Qh5 Qe6 24.Rh6 1-0 There had to mistakes from both sides!

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I. Got. Mauled.

Mark
The Squirrel Lover, still recovering

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I'll try to be more gentile in our next game..........sorry bout that one!
I was in Tal mode there............

kyngj

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I didn't know the Jews played stronger chess Tony....

Joe
(Trying to make a joke of Tony's spelling and not being in any form politically incorrect)...

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Tony, Mark,

just a few remarks from my side. Not a real analysis.

apart from 'preferences' earlier on in the game, my main remark is on
8. .. Bxg3. I believe Bg6 was better and more solid, and would have
avoided the sacrifice on h6. From here on white is better.

I also have some doubts wether 10 . ..Nd7 was that good. Perhaps
Qd5 or Re8?

13. Bxh6 was brave! I don't know if it is fully correct or not (I leave
that to specialists), but certainly it looks very promising.

16. .... Nf8? this loses immediately as shown. With Re6 black could
have kept the battle ongoing, and who knows... with a piece up. Of
course the f-pawn would get lost after Qg4+ Rg6 Rxg6+ fxg6 Qxg6+
Kf8 .... but it is not that clear how it goes on (at least it wasn't to me
at first asight) , probably with white still winning.

Mark, there is only one way out of this: revenge! (but not against me,
please!).

Tony, you had your win. now be nice to me in our games :-)

Gil.

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Thanks Gil! I'll try..........don't play the CK and you'll be fine........I
tear it up! Hehehe...........

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Hi,
I did a quick analyse, haven't analysed so many games so take it for
what it worth.

Blacks mistake was 16... Nf8.
I think instead of 17. Rah1 I could think of Qg4+ Ng6 18. Rxg6+ fxg6
19. Qxg6+ Kf8 20. Rah1
Your move 19. Rah7+ is very strong and the same goes for 22 g4+

I am interested what other say about my analyse since I like to be
better at it.

R

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Some quick analysis...

1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 book Classical Caro-Kann stuff so
far

4... Nf6 not sure about this. Don't have a reference handy... this may
still be book... but this seems to double pawns needlessly, without
creating any compensating imbalances in black's favor.

5.Nxf6+ exf6 6.c3 Bf5 7.Ne2 Bd6 8.Ng3 this little knight maneuver
causes white to lag behind in development.

8... Bxg3 9. hxg3 O-O First Black trades a good bishop for a knight. I
think the technical term for Black's last move is "castling into it". This
is where White catches up to (and quickly surpasses) Black in
developement.

10.Be3 Nd7 11.Bd3 Bxd3 12.Qxd3 Why trade off your only active
piece, knowing that it immediately puts the king in danger? White has
three pieces aimed at the kingside. Black has a miserable knight and
no major piece activity. At this point, White seems to have a winning
position.

Perhaps 12...g6 would be better than 12...h6. It avoids the dangerous
bishop sac, and white can eventually push f5 if he needs to.

I think the deciding factor here was Black's poorly timed exchanges,
starting with Bxg3.

Funny thing is, I've found two games with this position. In Ivanov -
Martinovsky 1991, the game continued 10. Be2 Nd7 (Which isn't really
a bad move at all) 11. O-O Qb6 (I'm not sure why white gives up the
open h-file here.) with a totally different position.

The other, Elburg - Brandes, 1991, proceeds along much the same
line as our game, with 10. Bd3 Re8+ 11. Be3 Qd7 12. Qc2 Bxd3 13.
Qxd3 h6 14. O-O-O Qd5 15. c4 Qxg2 16. Rh4 Nd7 17. Rdh1 Nb6 18.
c5 Nd5 19. Bxh6 gxh6 20. Rxh6 f5 21. Qxf5. 1-0

A very similar conclusion. It just shows that if both players had been
paying close attention to obscure games form 1991, they could have
avoided the whole mess...

--Rein

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1.) 4. Nf6 is a book move and and it does create some positive
imbalances for black........that f6 pawns puts nice control over e5 and
also allows black a little more free development............
2.) Ng3 doesn't really cause white problems because it threatens
something.............black has to give up his nice dark-squared bishop
OR move his bishop......so if he moves the bishop......then there
really isn't any development problems as white is gonna trade off light
squared bishops anyway....this position is sharp enough to worry THAT
much about development...just some thoughts.......
3.) He was practically forced into playing Bxd3 as moving it to e6
obviously runs into Bxh7+ and Bg6 wastes a tempo......

sounds like you're reading some Silman.... I don't use a board or a
database over RHP, just my head, and my massive amount of book
knowledge...............

P.S. - We have a pretty good game going..........

R

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1.) I actually got a chance to look at a book, You're right, 4.Nf6 is
book. Just looks a little suspicious to me.

2.) Obviously, you had no trouble with development, so Ng3 worked
fine. I think The black Bishop at f5 is a little exposed and
underprotected, which is what allows white to waste time hopping his
knight around.

That Nd7 prevents the queen form being able to protect the bishop.
Were you aware of that when you played 10.Bd3?

What do you think of respinding to Qcd3 with g6 rather than h6? At
least it avoids the bishop sac.

I have Silman's Reassess Your Chess with me at work. I also (now,
since I went and grabbed them) have MCO13 and (for shame) SCO. I
don't use it in games I consider important (like ours). I've been
studying book, but I know next to nothing about the Caro-Kann. The
only databases I have access to at work are the ones online. I also
don't have a board to play out moves on. Oh well. I bet my rating
would be better if I weren't dealing with stupid people at work all day.
Kind of makes you feel stupid yourself.

We DO have a good game going. My king's about to catch his death
of cold out there, though...

--Rein

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I myself like h6 better than g6 as now h6 and f6 may be too
weak........I think in response to g6 I would probly have played Rh6, 0-
0-0 and Rdh1 as a plan........maybe black would have to defend with
something like Rfd8 and then Nf8 to stop the attack on the h-
pawn.......his position would still suck as all he pieces would be limited
as he has to defend..........Just some more thoughts.........

R

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Right, right. Black was definitely asking for trouble castling kingside.
I'm going to take a good look at the position after Bxh6, I'll get back
to you.

Rein,
Oh, and Tony, I hope you choke on those pawns. ;-)

R

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Ok, Tony...

I'm thinking that Black's best try is 15...kf8, where Black is temporarily
out of forcing moves. The line I'm considering is 15.Rxh6 kf8; 16.Rh1
ke7, where I think The king will make it to the queenside and his
extra minor piece will become quite important. Have I missed
something here? Can white still force a win after 15...kf8?

Rein
By the way, Tony, are you in a bad mood today? Relieving some
stress or pent up aggression on me and Mark?

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15....Kf8 16. Rh8+ Ke7 17. Qe4+ Ne5 18. Kc2 OR maybe he can get
away with Rh1 with the threat of Rh8+! which wins the queen!

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A consolidated (though not too deep) analysis. Some new thoughts,
some just for fun lines, and some material which has been posted
already - attribution given as best I remember. Sorry it is so dense.

!~TONY~! (1501) - T1000 (1590) [B15]

1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nf6 Questioned in an earlier post,
this move has been played for over 100 years. Tony's assessment is
fine, to wit: "that f6 pawns puts nice control over e5 and also allows
black a little more free development". I think as important is the idea
that B will create a fortress for his King in anticipation of castling on
opposite sides and some middle game fireworks. Note this, because
Black loses sight of this idea quickly as the game progresses..
5.Nxf6+ exf6 The commitment is made here. B will castle K-side and
try to hold against the attack to come. White does have an endgame
advantage in this variation because of the Q-side pawn majority - but
it is difficult to convert. Also, B's K-side position can be a tough nut to
crack. [ 5...gxf6 tends to be more popular these days because it gives
B more interesting counter chances. Do your homework to find out
why!] 6.c3 Bf5 [ 6...Bd6 is a main alternative here] 7.Ne2 Bd6 8.Ng3
Yes, white does lag behind in development and yes, it does not really
matter. White will be able to develop to natural squares quickly and
with gain in tempo. 8...Bxg3?! I know it has been played before but it
seems hard to justify this move. Per rein, "Black trades a good bishop
for a knight" and one which has already been moved twice. As critical
now is the half-open h-file which just makes it easier for White. Bxg3
can be a good move in the C-K, but when W has first castled K-side. [
Better is 8...Qe7+ and after 9.Be3 Bg6 the positions tend to be
drawish - as Bobby would say - by test.; 8...Bg6 looks solid but by not
taking the tempo to check, W tends to be able to get in f4 which
threatens to cause B more problems on the K-side. This, of course, is
just one idea. An example: 9.Bc4 0–0 10.0–0 Re8 11.f4 b5 12.Bb3
Be4 13.Qh5 Qd7 14.Nxe4 Rxe4 15.Bc2 g6 16.Qh4 Re8 17.f5 Be7
18.Rf3 g5 19.Qh5 Bd8 20.Bxg5 1–0 Nunn,Arkell/Lloyds Bank op
1987/] 9.hxg3 0–0 "into the frying pan" - this would be normal if the h
file was not half-open 10.Be3 the normal idea would be to prepare Q-
side castling as well as avoid the check. [ 10.Bd3 immediately is
probably better - this game should look familiar thematically
10...Re8+ 11.Be3 Qd7 12.Qc2 Bxd3 13.Qxd3 h6 14.0–0–0 Qd5 15.c4
Qxg2 16.Rh4 Nd7 17.Rdh1 Nb6 18.c5 Nd5 19.Bxh6 gxh6 20.Rxh6 f5
21.Qxf5 1–0 Elburg,J-Brandes/WCCF corr 1991/; 10.Be2 is not as
strong 10...Nd7 11.0–0 Qb6 12.b3 a5 13.Be3 Rfe8 14.Qd2 Qd8 15.c4
Nc5 16.f3 Qe7 17.Kf2 Rad8 18.Rfe1 Ne6 19.Qc3 Qa3 20.Red1 Nc7
21.Bf1 Rd7 22.Bc1 Qe7 23.Qxa5 Bc2 24.Re1 Qxe1+ 25.Qxe1 Rxe1
26.Kxe1 Rxd4 27.Be3 Rd7 28.Rc1 Bg6 29.Rd1 Rxd1+ 30.Kxd1 Kf8
31.Kd2 Ke7 32.Kc3 Kd7 33.a4 Bf5 34.g4 Be6 35.Bd3 Na6 36.b4 Kd6
37.Bb1 Bd7 38.Bf4+ Ke7 39.b5 Nc5 40.Kb4 Ne6 41.Bb8 g6 42.a5 cxb5
43.cxb5 Bc8 44.Bd3 Kd7 45.a6 bxa6 46.bxa6 Nc7 47.Bxc7 Kxc7 48.Kc5
h5 49.gxh5 gxh5 50.a7 Bb7 51.Be4 1–0 Ivanov,A-Martinovsky,E/St
Martin 1991] 10...Nd7 [ 10...Re8 pinning the bishop immediately
looks better 11.Qb3 Qc7 12.0–0–0 Nd7 13.Bf4 Qb6 14.Bc4 where W
still holds an edge but it is not overwhelming; 10...Qd5 can also be
considered to gain some space and pressure the rear g-pawn; not too
clear to me though] 11.Bd3 Bxd3 Forced? Pretty much, but then again
there are not a lot of choices. [ 11...Be6?? 12.Bxh7+ Kh8 13.Be4+ Kg8
14.Qh5 -- followed by 15.Qh7# ; 11...Bg6 12.Bxg6 fxg6 13.Qb3+
Rf7 14.Rxh7! is getting close to decisive.; 11...Qa5 12.Qh5 and B is
still in trouble] 12.Qxd3 W is clearly better but B still has some
defensive resources. 12...h6?! [ Let's look at 12...g6!? where I think
we will see that B can hold the position for a while. Following Tony's
thought: 13.Rh6 ( Maybe changing the order helps 13.0–0–0 Re8
14.Rh6 Qa5 15.Rdh1 Nf8 16.Kb1 Re6 looks like B is still viable.; One
possibility is 13.Qe4 thinking to swing the Queen over to h 13...Re8
14.Qh4 Nf8 15.0–0–0 Qd5 16.a3 Re6 17.Bh6 Nd7 18.Bf4 Nf8) 13...Re8
14.0–0–0 Nf8 15.Rdh1 does not quite finish the job 15...Qd5; 12...f5
is a thought: sac the doubled pawn to get in Nf6 and maintain the
pawn structure 13.Qxf5 Nf6 14.0–0–0 Qd5± where Black will try to
trade off the attacking Q and hope to hold in the endgame] 13.Bxh6
nice sac! 13...gxh6 14.Rxh6 Re8+ 15.Kd2 f5? hastens the end, but is
there anything better? [ ‹15...Nf8 and after 16.Rah1 and W has an
overwhelming position; 15...Kf8 is interesting but does not save the
game 16.Rh8+ Ke7 17.Re1+ ( 17.Qe4+ Ne5 18.Rxe8+ Qxe8 19.Kc2
Kf8 20.dxe5 should still win for W) 17...Ne5 18.Rxe8+ Kxe8 19.f4!
should be enough] 16.Qxf5 Nf8?? disastrous and loses immediately
(as sin said) [ A much better attempt is 16...Re6 (this is sin's line)
17.Qg4+ Rg6 18.Rxg6+ fxg6 19.Qxg6+ Kf8 20.Qf5+ ( 20.Rh1 Qf6
21.Qxf6+ Nxf6 and B might get lucky) 20...Nf6± W will activate the
other rook and push the pawns and should be able to win.; also bad
is attempting deflection by returning the piece 16...Nf6 17.Rah1
ignoring the knight where B has nothing better than 17...Ne4+ 18.Kc2
Kf8 ( of course not ‹18...Qg5 19.Rh8+ Kg7 20.R1h7๐Ÿ™„ 19.Rh8+ Ke7
20.Qxe4+] 17.Rah1 [ stormfogle suggests: 17.Qg4+ Ng6 18.Rxg6+
fxg6 19.Qxg6+ Kf8 20.Rh1 which works very cleanly] 17...Qe7 [
certainly not ‹17...Ng6 18.Rxg6+ fxg6 19.Qxg6+ Kf8 20.Rh8+ Ke7
21.Rh7+ Kf8 22.Qg7#; also worse is 17...Re2+ 18.Kxe2 Qe7+ 19.Kf3
f6 20.Rh8+ Kf7 21.Qh5+ Ke6 22.Re1+ Kd7 23.Qf5+ Kd8 24.Rxe7]
18.Rh8+ nice forcing line [ for fun: 18.g4 immediately and allowing
the check may be the shorter route 18...Qe2+ 19.Kc1 and B has run
out of play without a sacrifice; for example: 19...Qe4 ( 19...Qe7
20.Rh8+ Kg7 21.R1h7+ Nxh7 22.Qxh7+ Kf6 23.Qh6๐Ÿ™„ 20.Rh8+ Kg7
21.R1h7+ Nxh7 22.Rxh7+ Kg8 23.Qxf7#] 18...Kg7 19.R1h7+ fertig
19...Nxh7 20.Qxh7+ Kf6 21.Qh6+ Kf5 22.g4+ [ or 22.Qh3+ Kg6
23.Rh6+ Kg7 24.Rh7+ Kf6 25.Qh6+ Kf5 26.g4+ Ke4] 22...Ke4 [ losing
is 22...Kxg4 23.Qh5+ Kf4 24.g3+ Ke4 25.f3#] 23.Qh5 Qe6 24.Rh6+- [
another fun line here is 24.f3+ Kf4 25.Qh2+ Kg5 26.Qh4+ Kf4 27.g5+
notice how W works the pawn down the file 27...Kf5 28.Qg4+ Kg6
29.Qh5+ Kf5 30.g6+ Kf6 31.Qh4+ Kg7 32.Qh6+ Kf6 33.gxf7+] 1–0

Tony: good game - there are improvements but no real mistakes. T-
1000: watch those open lanes! The C-K does not give you an opening
advantage, so you do not want to maximize that which W has.

enjoy

-ww-

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