Originally posted by kirksey957well you'd think so. however, i'm not sure this eating thing is quite understood as well as it appears to be. basically, the present premise seems to boil down to the what-goes-in concept. however, i'm not so sure about this anymore: the standard consumption requirements, for instance, are usually far greater than they need to be, because health canada doesn't want to get sued if someone develops scurvy from lack of vitamin C 😀
But wouldn't it be a horrible recipe for bone density?
certainly, the consumption of some materialls are better than others, but i have been amazed at how some of the creatures my son rescues and rehabilitates manage on nothing but water (they refuse to eat). it is true that fasting has many excellent theraputic benefits, but we're talking over 4 months here, for instance, for a couple of the snakes - and they are not in hibernatiion. so that suggests something has got to be getting in some other way - at least to conserve the laws of physics.
i am by no means using this as an attempted proof for breatharianism, but it has certainly piqued my interest and perhaps even my appetite 😀
in friendship,
prad
Originally posted by pradtfI know people who live on nothing other than beer and hot dogs.
well you'd think so. however, i'm not sure this eating thing is quite understood as well as it appears to be. basically, the present premise seems to boil down to the what-goes-in concept. however, i'm not so sure about this anymore.
certainly, the consumption of some materialls are better than others, but i have been amazed at how some of the creature ...[text shortened]... but it has certainly piqued my interest and perhaps even my appetite 😀
in friendship,
prad
Originally posted by rapalla7well that's not really breatharian, mike.
I know people who live on nothing other than beer and hot dogs.
it can be sometimes miscontrued as vegan though to some extent, because beer doesn't contain animal proteins (last i heard anyway, but who knows with biogenetics these days) and god only knows what goes into hot dogs anyway 😀
in friendship,
prad
Originally posted by pradtfHot dogs are foul.
well that's not really breatharian, mike.
it can be sometimes miscontrued as vegan though to some extent, because beer doesn't contain animal proteins (last i heard anyway, but who knows with biogenetics these days) and god only knows what goes into hot dogs anyway 😀
in friendship,
prad
What is so extreme about caring for those who don't really have a voice?
Don't you find it more extreme that people feed our children garbage then Label them with problems and then put them on some medications?
The reason many find them extreme is because it opens up the blinders a bit and makes people realize that "Hey! what I have been doing might not be right or there is a better way."
Originally posted by pradtfThe problem for me is I LOVE meat! By going veg I would be denying myself something I love, and NOT getting anything out of it. For example, Thanksgiving. I could have gone to dinner and not eaten the turkey, right? But the turkey still got eaten, the turkey still died. My family is eating it up like it is going out of style. Get what I mean? That's one reason I don't see the point.
it is indeed an enormous problem and you have identified 2 of the crucial areas very accurately - the breeding and the eating. there is an unfortunate assumption by the 'well fed' that things will go on just as they are for ever and ever, even though history repeatedly demonstrates otherwise often in catastrophic ways.
i can understand why you wouldn't ...[text shortened]... the moonlight - and in those sparkles we may find the light to guide us.
in friendship,
prad
I have a question for you because I don't know much about all this. Does AR want the HUMANE treatment of animals, or the complete stoppage of slaughtering them for food? Small farming where animals are bred for slaughter/food is okay, am I understanding this right?
Also, I just have to comment Pradft, I am impressed with the way you've fielded all the arguments. I don't know if that is what you expected when you started these threads, but you communicate well and respectfully. 🙂🙂🙂 Did I read somewhere that you are a teacher?
Oh, and I was also wondering the difference in veg and vegan?
😀NC
Originally posted by ncrosby
The problem for me is I LOVE meat! By going veg I would be denying myself something I love, and NOT getting anything out of it. For example, Thanksgiving. I could have gone to dinner and not eaten the turkey, right? But the turkey still got eaten, the turkey still died. My family is eating it up like it is going out of style. Get what I mean? That's one reason I don't see the point.
i know exactly what you mean! it was precisely my reasoning in the 70s - i couldn't see what difference it would make whether i ate meat or didn't. however, i went veg back then for purely nutritional reasons (didn't know about the environmental stuff and didn't care about the ethical business). if you examine going veg, you will be very surprised how significant the nutritional benefits are (take a look at the goVeg section on our veggiechess website as a starting point). i'll go into this in more detail later, but basically the human design does not handle animal proteins very well and the body reacts in numerous unsavory ways such as heart disease, osteoporosis, asthma, arthritis to name just a few. so, you are denying yourself nothing you really want and getting much more than you presently expect 🙂
and btw, it becomes pretty easy to kick the meat and dairy habits, once you reflect on some of the stuff that goes into it 😀
Originally posted by ncrosby
I have a question for you because I don't know much about all this. Does AR want the HUMANE treatment of animals, or the complete stoppage of slaughtering them for food? Small farming where animals are bred for slaughter/food is okay, am I understanding this right?
AR's stance is perhaps best described by peta's guideline that animals "are not ours to use for food, clothing, entertainment, or experimentation, or for any other reason". however, AR is in full support of what is known as animal welfare and animal protection groups who want a kinder environment for animals in all areas. small farmers (who are rapidly being wiped out by factory farms) usually provide a much better environment for animals but not always. remember that they too have to make the buck and will generally try to maximize production. however, in many cases, small farmers are closer to their animals and don't see them as commodities to use as they please. the animals do have greater freedoms and a better lifestyles. all that being true, remember that in charlotte's web the goose said it was a 'dirty irty trick' and wibur still wanted to live.
Originally posted by ncrosby
Also, I just have to comment Pradft, I am impressed with the way you've fielded all the arguments. I don't know if that is what you expected when you started these threads, but you communicate well and respectfully. 🙂🙂🙂 Did I read somewhere that you are a teacher?
that is very kind of you to say so. i appreciate the thought as well as your questions. i think it is important for people to at least know what really happens, because the propaganda from the otherside is overwhelming. i used to be a teacher for many years in a public board and now am fortunate enough to have been hired by my son, (kyrontf) when he was in gr1, to homeschool him till he is 20 😀
Originally posted by ncrosby
Oh, and I was also wondering the difference in veg and vegan?
vegetarian is a dietary description. veganism is a lifestyle. essentially, you could say that a vegan is a vegetarian (that covers the diet) who does avoids animal products such as leather, wool, gelatin, silk etc. it is difficult to be 100% true to this because of the way products are made - for instance, tires contain slaughterhouse by-products - but one can come pretty close.
in friendship,
prad