Originally posted by ScriabinIrrelevant.
Analyze this:
Three nuns were taking a walk one day.
''I was cleaning the Father's room yesterday and found some pornography magazines," said the first nun.
"What did you do with them?" asked the second.
"I threw them away."
"I was cleaning the Father's room yesterday and found some condoms," said the second nun.
"What did you do with them?" asked t ...[text shortened]... What's 6 inches long , 2 inches wide, and thrills women?
Money!
Originally posted by PalynkaIt is interesting, not to say amusing, to note your hilarity.
Hilarious.
It's completely irrelevant what some pathetic US laws define it to be. Go to the Netherlands and even prostitution is legal.
Both concepts transcends the notion of state and legal system. But I have to say I'm not surprised by your ethnocentric attitude to this issue.
You defend the porn business, also from an ethnocentric point of view I might point out, because prostitution business is legal in the Netherlands.
Here is why I take the attitude I do, with reference to US laws and all:
I quote from the U.S. State Dept Trafficking in Persons Report, June, 2008:
"The Netherlands is a source, transit, and destination country for men, women, and children trafficked for the purposes of commercial sexual exploitation and forced labor. Within the Netherlands, victims are often trafficked by so called “lover boys”—men who seduce young women and girls and coerce them into prostitution. Women and girls are trafficked to the Netherlands from Nigeria, Bulgaria, China, Sierra Leone, and Romania, as well as other countries in Eastern Europe, for sexual exploitation and, to a lesser extent, forced labor. Men are trafficked to the Netherlands from India, China, Bangladesh, and Turkey for forced labor and sexual exploitation. According to the Dutch National Rapporteur for Trafficking in Persons, the highest risk sectors for labor trafficking are domestic employment, temporary employment agencies, agriculture and horticulture, restaurants, hotels, and construction."
from a Canadian website http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005/oct/05100508.html
Canada Considers Further Legalizing Prostitution While Amsterdam Mayor Admits Legalization's Failure
OTTAWA/AMSTERDAM, October 5, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A Liberal dominated government committee looking into prostitution is recommending the Canadian government legalize solicitation so that prostitutes may legally offer sex for money. Meanwhile the mayor of Amsterdam has for the first time admitted that the Dutch experiment to curb abuse by legalizing prostitution has failed miserably.
Policemen in Amsterdam's infamous red light district were quoted by Dutch media Friday as saying, "We are in the midst of modern slavery." Due to the legalization of prostitution in the Netherlands in 2000, police are hampered in confronting the horrors that are characteristic of the sex trade.
Even Amsterdam mayor Job Cohen, who as recently as four months ago was quoted in the media as praising the legalization of prostitution has been forced to admit the scheme's failure. "Almost five years after the lifting of the brothel ban, we have to acknowledge that the aims of the law have not been reached", said Cohen, as quoted by NCR. "Lately we've received more and more signals that abuse still continues."
Nonetheless, the Canadian politicians who took part in a committee on solicitation in the sex industry are ready to call on the government to legalize solicitation. "It should be legalized and regulated for the sake of people who are working in the industry," said Liberal MP Keith Martin who sat on the committee.
The only Conservative MP on the committee, Art Hangar, expressed grave reservations about the committee decision. "These girls should be given every opportunity to get out of this high-risk activity and take the money out of it," he said. "There's too much organized crime, and there's a potential for even greater involvement of organized crime if you go the other (legalization) way."
Meanwhile in the Netherlands, the Red Light District has become a multi million dollar business, with a yearly turnover of 83 million Euros, according to NCR. Police are so hampered by prostitution's legalization that policemen report criminal reports by women "are gathering dust everywhere in the Netherlands."
From the BBC:
Trafficked to the West
By Jill McGivering
BBC News, Lithuania
Western Europe is seeing a dramatic increase in the trafficking of young women from Eastern Europe since the expansion of the EU in 2004. The UK is cited by many as the main destination and more than half of the women come from Lithuania.
She was clearly frightened, sitting hunched on the bottom bunk of a bed which almost filled the tiny room.
As she spoke, she touched the large crucifix round her neck. Her hair was coloured with a defiant streak of red.
Last summer, she had been approached by a childhood friend, she told me.
He said he knew someone who was recruiting women to work as prostitutes in Holland.
Prostitution is illegal in Lithuania, but in Holland he said, she would make big money. Trusting him, she agreed.
Within weeks she arrived in Holland - only to find herself a prisoner in a brothel - sold by her friend to a Lithuanian gang.
For months she endured beatings, sexual abuse and a constant stream of clients.
She saw little of the money she had been promised. When she escaped back to Lithuania her childhood friend tipped off the gang members.
They beat her so badly, she almost died. Today she is in hiding, terrified that her attackers will return.
Lucrative business
Her story is common here. Lithuania joined the EU last year. Since then, the trafficking of young women into Western European brothels has increased dramatically.
British investigators, struggling to keep up with what for them is a relatively new development, say the criminals are making millions.
Trafficking young women is as profitable as drugs and arms sales but without the same risks.
And increasingly the young women are being recruited by people they know and trust.
I heard of women sold by childhood friends, neighbours and even cousins.
And although many of the women know there will be sex work involved, there are others who simply expect to work as waitresses or au pairs.
Local case workers told me about two teenage girls in a small village whose neighbour personally reassured their parents the girls would be safe overseas. She then sold them.
When they finally escaped from a foreign brothel and returned to the village to accuse her, no-one believed them.
Many of these cases are simply one person's word against another's.
And in Lithuania, anyone involved in sex work, even a victim of trafficking, is unlikely to be taken seriously.
Trawling for women
In a sprawling prison in rural Lithuania I met one of the few traffickers to be convicted.
Haroldas slouched in his chair, his prison number round his neck, watched by an armed guard.
Of course they ended up in brothels, he said, but they must have known what they were getting into
Yes, he shrugged, he had trafficked women. He had lost count how many - maybe 12 to 20.
He described how he travelled round villages, asking about young women who might need jobs and befriending them.
First I just offered work locally, he said. Then I would invite them to a party and get to know them. Finally I would offer them a job abroad.
Of course they ended up in brothels, he said, but they must have known what they were getting into.
I asked him if he thought the amount of trafficking was increasing. "Definitely," he said. In fact it is growing so fast, he is worried.
"I've got a daughter," he added. "I'm frightened she might get caught up in it too."
He had made roughly £20,000 ($35,000) selling girls - a fortune in Lithuania. He was sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison.
Lithuania is trying to improve contacts with British investigators - but does not yet have an anti-trafficking unit.
The police seem confused about the distinction between trafficking and prostitution.
Prostitution sting
In the capital, Vilnius, I joined two police specialists who tipped back lazily in their chairs and with a smirk showed me pictures of semi-naked women offering themselves on the internet.
They had to balance their anti-prostitution work, they said, with other duties: stopping illegal disposal of oil and prosecuting people who owned more than one cat or dog.
Finally, they telephoned one of the online prostitutes, agreed a price and set off to trap her.
Their sting took place in a set of cramped rooms in a filthy housing block.
When I arrived, two young women were slumped dejectedly on a low sofa, filling in arrest papers.
Why is trafficking so profitable - and why do British men want to buy sex with very young, very terrified women?
Case worker
The wallpaper was damp and peeling. Pictures of naked women cut from porn magazines were stuck to the walls.
Back at the police station, two other women - these Ukrainian women in their 20s - had just been arrested for prostitution.
They said they arrived in Lithuania the previous week, expecting to work in a massage parlour - only to find they had been sold to a brothel owner.
Afterwards, the police officer shook his head. He did not believe a word of it, he said.
In the meantime, young women are being sold into UK brothels in steadily growing numbers.
Catching the traffickers is one way of tackling it. But reducing demand is another.
In Lithuania, I was asked: "What's Britain doing to change attitudes towards prostitution?"
Or as one case worker asked me: "Why is trafficking so profitable - and why do British men want to buy sex with very young, very terrified women?"
see Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking
Human trafficking is the recruitment, transportation, harbouring, or receipt of people for the purposes of slavery, forced labor (including bonded labor or debt bondage) and servitude.
It is estimated to be a $5 to $9 billion-a-year industry.The Council Of Europe states "People trafficking has reached epidemic proportions over the past decade, with a global annual market of about $42.5 billion".
Trafficking victims typically are recruited using coercion, deception, fraud, the abuse of power, or outright abduction. Threats, violence, and economic leverage such as debt bondage can often make a victim consent to exploitation.
Exploitation includes forcing people into prostitution or other forms of sexual exploitation, forced labour or services, slavery or practices similar to slavery, servitude or the removal of organs.
For children, exploitation may also include forced prostitution, illicit international adoption, trafficking for early marriage, or recruitment as child soldiers, beggars, for sports (such as child camel jockeys or football players), or for religious cults.
Due to the illegal nature of trafficking and differences in methodology, the exact extent is unknown. According to United States State Department data, an "estimated 600,000 to 820,000 men, women, and children [are] trafficked across international borders each year, approximately 70 percent are women and girls and up to 50 percent are minors. The data also illustrates that the majority of transnational victims are trafficked into commercial sexual exploitation." However, they go on to say that "the alarming enslavement of people for purposes of labor exploitation, often in their own countries, is a form of human trafficking that can be hard to track from afar." Thus the figures for persons trafficked for labor exploitation are likely to be greatly underestimated.
Since the fall of the Iron Curtain, the impoverished former Eastern bloc countries such as Albania, Moldova, Romania, Bulgaria, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine have been identified as major trafficking source countries for women and children. Young women and girls are often lured to wealthier countries by the promises of money and work and then reduced to sexual slavery. It is estimated that 2/3 of women trafficked for prostitution worldwide annually come from Eastern Europe, three-quarters have never worked as prostitutes before. The major destinations are Western Europe (Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, UK, Greece), the Middle East (Turkey, the United Arab Emirates), Asia, Russia and the United States. An estimated 500,000 women from Central and Eastern Europe are working in prostitution in the EU alone.
An estimated 14,000 people are trafficked into the United States each year, although again because trafficking is illegal, accurate statistics are difficult. According to the Massachusetts based Trafficking Victims Outreach and Services Network (project of the nonprofit MataHari: Eye of the Day) in Massachusetts alone, there were 55 documented cases of human trafficking in 2005 and the first half of 2006 in Massachusetts.
In 2004, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) estimated that 600-800 persons are trafficked into Canada annually and that additional 1,500-2,200 persons are trafficked through Canada into the United States. In Canada, foreign trafficking for prostitution is estimated to be worth $400 million annually.
In the United Kingdom, 71 women were known to have been trafficked into prostitution in 1998 and the Home Office recognized that the scale is likely greater as the problem is hidden and research estimates that the actual figure could be up to 1,420 women trafficked into the UK during the same period. Trafficking in people is increasing in Africa, South Asia and into North America. The Home Office do not appear to be keeping records of the number of people trafficked into the UK for purposes other than sexual exploitation.
Originally posted by PalynkaNow, then. Explain your enthusiasm for all this, please.
Hilarious.
It's completely irrelevant what some pathetic US laws define it to be. Go to the Netherlands and even prostitution is legal.
Both concepts transcends the notion of state and legal system. But I have to say I'm not surprised by your ethnocentric attitude to this issue.
Originally posted by ScriabinI repeat:
You defend the porn business, also from an ethnocentric point of view I might point out, because prostitution business is legal in the Netherlands.
Both concepts transcends the notion of state and legal system.
Now read it again. Slowly.
I was not defending my argument with the legality of it in the Netherlands. That example was a simple illustration that a code of law cannot be used to support your argument, unless you have an ethnocentric point of view, simply because there are many examples of codes of law with contradicting views.