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The rise and immediate demise of Dr Who

The rise and immediate demise of Dr Who

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Russel T Davis is a brilliant writer who’s artful reworks of the trials and adventures of the most famous traveller in time and space the world has ever seen has once again freed the TARDIS from the grasp of the trite storyline. Even if the silliness which has infected the program for decades and which replaced the genuine dark creepiness of the early series has been given a seemingly free reign. The latest pilot which was shown over Christmas was a good fun watch. It was well storied, well scripted, well filmed and introduced a black Dr Who for the first time played by the brilliant Ncuti Gatwa and a new look interior TARDIS which was impressively built full size at Bad Wolf studios in Cardiff, Wales.

The Dr has regenerated and turned black … and gay. The female Dr series was a complete flop commercially; hampered by poor storylines (as is often the case with Dr Who) but fundamentally flawed by the changing of the character from male to female. Yes, it’s a like the James Bond argument; a black Bond would work, a female Bond wouldn’t. SEXIST! Oh do shut up, please. A gay Bond wouldn’t have worked either, not because a tough secret service agent can’t be gay, but because being gay isn’t what the character is about and importantly not what the punters want to pay to see. Not sorry, it’s a fact.

Dr Who is the BBC’s flagship science fantasy vehicle which has survived various attempts by Director Generals of Auntie Beeb to sabotage it by cutting funding, shifting schedules and openly slagging it off. What the BBC, who also destroyed their most commercially successful franchise EVER “Top Gear” when they fired Jeremy Clarkson for punching a gobby junior director rather than simply disciplining him, epically fail to comprehend is that Dr Who is a national treasure as a franchise, as an idea, as an ideal and as an escape. The franchise spans 7 decades of viewers and is totally unique in this respect; pulling in viewers across multiple generations.

So what’s the problem? Good stories, good scripting, good production, good black male actor playing the lead, surely it should be flying success. Well it won’t be. The problem is with the program’s gifted storyteller Russel T Davis, who it seems is on a mission to ride the wave of woke on a multicoloured unicorn of self interest. Yes, he’s a militant homosexual and he’s using Dr Who to launch the first time traveller’s gay kiss in order to make a selfish point and win a view cheap social media points.

What’s wrong with gays kissing? Nothing more than anyone else kissing. What’s wrong with it being on TV? Nothing, gays have been kissing on TV for decades, it’s not new! It’s not groundbreaking to see two gays kissing on TV. It isn’t! So why has he done it… because it’s Dr Who, a character which is a male icon, like James Bond. Davis possibly feels he’s breaking through another stonewall for gay rights. Unfortunately what he’s doing is using his own personal sexuality mission to hamstring his own brilliant creative work by alienating millions of viewers, who like myself will just say “meh… really” and turn over.

Want to be groundbreaking with sexuality in science fiction? Do what Lucile Ball head of Desilu Productions did in the late 60’s in Star Trek when she gave Gene Rodenbury licence to set up the first interracial kiss and the first interspecies kiss in television history. Groundbreaking stuff it was at the time. But what now… “oh lets have the Dr kiss another man, that’s not been done before”. Moronic, hackneyed, trite, boring, creatively self destructive; emblematic and symptomatic of how “wokeness” yes “wokeness” infects even the most creative minds. The BBC board will all be stroking each other’s thighs while basking in the wave of media and social media congratulatory headlines. By the end of the series they will already be looking for the next Dr and the next piece of woke pap to boost the marketing depts PowerPoint charts.

Dr Who kissing a cyberman would have at least been funny.

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@divegeester said
Russel T Davis is a brilliant writer who’s artful reworks of the trials and adventures of the most famous traveller in time and space the world has ever seen has once again freed the TARDIS from the grasp of the trite storyline. Even if the silliness which has infected the program for decades and which replaced the genuine dark creepiness of the early series has been give ...[text shortened]... the marketing depts PowerPoint charts.

Dr Who kissing a cyberman would have at least been funny.
So you don't like it, so it's crap? Really?

You have to fall back on a stupid idea like "anti-wokeness" to make your point? Really?

I can appreciate the Dr. Who/James Bond equivalence point in your post, really, but you seem to be trying too hard to make your point.

No, I don't think this will "ruin" Dr. Who going forward. That would take WAY more than this.

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@Suzianne said
So you don't like it, so it's crap? Really?

You have to fall back on a stupid idea like "anti-wokeness" to make your point? Really?

I can appreciate the Dr. Who/James Bond equivalence point in your post, really, but you seem to be trying too hard to make your point.

No, I don't think this will "ruin" Dr. Who going forward. That would take WAY more than this.
No, I don’t think and didn’t say “it’s crap”.

So you don't like anti-woke so it's stupid? Really?

Thanks for appreciating the Bond equivalence.

I didn’t use the word “ruin” anywhere in my post, so why are you putting in in quotations?

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@Suzianne said

No, I don't think this will "ruin" Dr. Who going forward. That would take WAY more than this.
Would you like to make an intelligent argument to support your blurts or is this you done?

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@divegeester said
Would you like to make an intelligent argument to support your blurts or is this you done?
Your previous post hardly makes a counter argument, riddled as it is with picking at pesky details.

It's a shame that you call Star Trek's first interracial kiss "groundbreaking", which it was, and yet Dr. Who's first male-to-male kiss was "woke". I'm sure the Kirk-Uhura kiss would be called "woke" today by lesser minds. Yes, you calling the Dr. Who kiss "woke" is "trying too hard".

Again, my point to your lengthy post is simply this: "No, I don't think this will "ruin" Dr. Who going forward. That would take WAY more than this."

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@Suzianne said
Your previous post hardly makes a counter argument, riddled as it is with picking at pesky details.
I replied to your post with all the effort it deserved.

The “pesky details” were your errors and lazy grandstanding.

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@Suzianne said

It's a shame that you call Star Trek's first interracial kiss "groundbreaking", which it was, and yet Dr. Who's first male-to-male kiss was "woke". I'm sure the Kirk-Uhura kiss would be called "woke" today by lesser minds.
I didn’t call the Dr Who kiss woke, I said Davis using it in the way he has is appealing to the woke culture within and without the BBC.

No one has ever called the Kirk Uhura kiss woke, then or now. Because it wasn’t.

I think you’re the one trying too hard Suzianne.

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I may be the only one but ya know what? I’d love to see you two kiss.😲😁

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@Great-Big-Stees said
I may be the only one but ya know what? I’d love to see you two kiss.😲😁
Eeeeww! πŸ˜•

(I'm usually generous with unfortunates, but not that generous.)

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@Suzianne said
Eeeeww! πŸ˜•

(I'm usually generous with unfortunates, but not that generous.)
In what way do you view me as being an “unfortunate”?

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@divegeester said
Russel T Davis is a brilliant writer who’s artful reworks of the trials and adventures of the most famous traveller in time and space the world has ever seen has once again freed the TARDIS from the grasp of the trite storyline. Even if the silliness which has infected the program for decades and which replaced the genuine dark creepiness of the early series has been give ...[text shortened]... the marketing depts PowerPoint charts.

Dr Who kissing a cyberman would have at least been funny.
The Daughter of Dr. Who might have worked. After all, The Bride of Frankenstein worked.

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@moonbus said
The Daughter of Dr. Who might have worked. After all, The Bride of Frankenstein worked.
Might have made a half-series spin off on freeview I suppose.

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@divegeester said
Russel T Davis is a brilliant writer who’s artful reworks of the trials and adventures of the most famous traveller in time and space the world has ever seen has once again freed the TARDIS from the grasp of the trite storyline. Even if the silliness which has infected the program for decades and which replaced the genuine dark creepiness of the early series has been give ...[text shortened]... the marketing depts PowerPoint charts.

Dr Who kissing a cyberman would have at least been funny.
With all due respect I think your over analyzing here.

The bottom line is, if you give the audiences what they want, they'll watch it - again and again, no matter what race, sexuality, or story line it is. The Dr may indeed have turned black … and gay, but if most people aren't interested in this, they'll simply watch something else.

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@mchill said
The bottom line is, if you give the audiences what they want, they'll watch it - again and again, no matter what race, sexuality, or story line it is. The Dr may indeed have turned black … and gay, but if most people aren't interested in this, they'll simply watch something else.
My point exactly.
Well one of them anyway, sort of.

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