1. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    16 Apr '18 23:20
    Originally posted by @uzless
    Why the kids are so messed up...

    [youtube]As8XkJNaHbs[/youtube]
    Rock n Roll ruined an entire generation.
    "Free Love" and the Pill ruined an entire generation.
    Too much TV ruined an entire generation.
    Computer Games ruined an entire generation.
    Social Media ruined an entire generation.

    What all those things did was "change" society.
    Perhaps for good perhaps for bad - but certainly it wasn't the end of civilisation.

    Mostly I think it governments wishing to pass the buck.

    If you really want to know how to ruin a generation think of these.
    WW1, WW2, Vietnam.
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    17 Apr '18 00:421 edit
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    Rock n Roll ruined an entire generation.
    "Free Love" and the Pill ruined an entire generation.
    Too much TV ruined an entire generation.
    Computer Games ruined an entire generation.
    Social Media ruined an entire generation.

    What all those things did was "change" society.
    Perhaps for good perhaps for bad - but certainly it wasn't the end of civilis ...[text shortened]... buck.

    If you really want to know how to ruin a generation think of these.
    WW1, WW2, Vietnam.
    the civil war...

    edit; btw, well said...
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    17 Apr '18 07:34
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    Rock n Roll ruined an entire generation.
    "Free Love" and the Pill ruined an entire generation.
    Too much TV ruined an entire generation.
    Computer Games ruined an entire generation.
    Social Media ruined an entire generation.

    What all those things did was "change" society.
    Perhaps for good perhaps for bad - but certainly it wasn't the end of civilis ...[text shortened]... buck.

    If you really want to know how to ruin a generation think of these.
    WW1, WW2, Vietnam.
    Yes, well said. Change is inevitable - good for some, bad for some.
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    17 Apr '18 08:55
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    Mostly I think it governments wishing to pass the buck.
    Not even that - it's parents wanting an excuse to shirk their duty.
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    17 Apr '18 09:20
    Originally posted by @shallow-blue
    Not even that - it's parents wanting an excuse to shirk their duty.
    The parents that shirk their duty are not
    smart enough to conjure up these fanciful myths.

    Besides which, it is the responsibility of society/government to
    nurture and educate those children who have inadequate parents.
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    18 Apr '18 04:321 edit
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    The parents that shirk their duty are not
    smart enough to conjure up these fanciful myths.

    Besides which, it is the responsibility of society/government to
    nurture and educate those children who have inadequate parents.
    Then shoot the parents.

    Okay maybe that's a bit extreme.

    Trouble is, who's going to do the nurturing and educating. I could never be a teacher, but their job is surely to impart knowledge and not to sort out all of the social and emotional problems which walk through the classroom door every day?
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    18 Apr '18 04:48
    Originally posted by @indonesia-phil
    Trouble is, who's going to do the nurturing and educating. I could never be a teacher, but their job is surely to impart knowledge and not to sort out all of the social and emotional problems which walk through the classroom door every day?
    Somebody has to.
    Most schools in UK and NZ have School Counsellors.
    Governments have a duty to those kids disadvantaged by inadequate parenting.
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    18 Apr '18 06:37
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    Somebody has to.
    Most schools in UK and NZ have School Counsellors.
    Governments have a duty to those kids disadvantaged by inadequate parenting.
    A laudable philosophy indeed; all power to those trying to sort out the mess....Let's hope it doesn't self - perpetuate, which it seems to have a tendency to do.
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    18 Apr '18 07:32
    Originally posted by @indonesia-phil
    A laudable philosophy indeed; all power to those trying to sort out the mess....Let's hope it doesn't self - perpetuate, which it seems to have a tendency to do.
    But it is self-perpetuating.
    And the damage is done in the first thousand days.
    Long before social services can take the kids away.
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    18 Apr '18 10:02
    Originally posted by @uzless
    Why the kids are so messed up...

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    Bollocks.
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    18 Apr '18 10:41
    Originally posted by @indonesia-phil
    Then shoot the parents.

    Okay maybe that's a bit extreme.

    Trouble is, who's going to do the nurturing and educating. I could never be a teacher, but their job is surely to impart knowledge and not to sort out all of the social and emotional problems which walk through the classroom door every day?
    Exactly.

    It's the job of the teachers to educate the children.
    It's the job of the parents to make the children educatable.
    If the parents don't do their job, the teachers have nothing to work with, and the parents only have themselves to blame.

    And to all those who now want to complain about "but the media... but peer pressure... but that awful, awful internet...": if your child is such a fragile, fickle little greenhouse flower that it can't deal with the real world, you didn't raise it strong enough. You, and nobody else, are to blame for your child's lack of social nous.
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    18 Apr '18 11:16
    Originally posted by @shallow-blue
    Exactly.

    It's the job of the teachers to educate the children.
    It's the job of the parents to make the children educatable.
    If the parents don't do their job, the teachers have nothing to work with, and the parents only have themselves to blame.

    And to all those who now want to complain about "but the media... but peer pressure... but that awfu ...[text shortened]... raise it strong enough. You, and nobody else, are to blame for your child's lack of social nous.
    Agreed.
    But society (aka Government) must be there to pick up the pieces.
    The cost, both in terms of suffering and hard cash,
    is much more if there is no safety net for these kids.
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    18 Apr '18 23:24
    Originally posted by @kegge
    Bollocks.
    your succinct analysis is shorter and succincter than mine was...
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    19 Apr '18 01:57
    Originally posted by @rookie54
    your succinct analysis is shorter and succincter than mine was...
    ... and more brief.
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    19 Apr '18 05:00
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    ... and more brief.
    And less prolonged.

    Mind you, 'balls' would have been even less long.
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