@very-rusty saidStees means I believe a fight where the matador with the help of others kill a bull in an arena. I have seen it happen in Mallorca many years ago.
Is that where the bulls run and several people end up killed each time?
Or are you talking about in the ring where a guy sticks swords in the bull?
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@drewnogal saidSo you probably don't think much of the running of the bulls or the bull fighting in the ring where a matador is sticking swords into a bull.
How could anyone watch that? It sounds terrible. Didn’t you feel any pity for those poor creatures?
I think in the running of the bulls they get their revenge.
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@very-rusty saidI’ve just become increasingly sensitive as I’ve aged.
So you probably don't think much of the running of the bulls or the bull fighting in the ring where a matador is sticking swords into a bull.
I think in the running of the bulls they get their revenge.
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@trev33 saidIt is incomprehensible to me as to why someone would willingly go and watch a blood sport with animals.
Went to watch cockfighting in India and Peru, so every different, in India it was illegal but the winner got to keep the bird of the loser, they were often tame flights and I don’t recall any bird dying during the fight but a couple were killed after by the new owners, I assume for food. It Peru it was in an official ring in a stadium, it was legal and the birds wore blades a ...[text shortened]... caused a bloodbath, a few times both birds died and flight rarely lasted longer than a few seconds.
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@drewnogal saidOf course, the one in India was when I volunteered in a tea plantation, it was the village thing to do on a Sunday and I was invited, wanted to see what it was like. The one in Peru was to write about it, can’t remember what we wrote but it wasn’t fun to watch. Rather pointless with the blades actually.
How could anyone watch that? It sounds terrible. Didn’t you feel any pity for those poor creatures?
@very-rusty saidI don't think much of killing animals for entertainment. If the bulls had any say in this, they would prefer to do something else.
So you probably don't think much of the running of the bulls or the bull fighting in the ring where a matador is sticking swords into a bull.
I think in the running of the bulls they get their revenge.
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@trev33 saidHave to confess that I went on a couple of fox hunts in my teens. It appeared an exciting event; getting to ride through farmland that would normally be closed to us though always lagging behind the leaders on their fantastic horses. I never got close to seeing the poor fox so didn’t gave it a single thought. I didn’t know any better at the time and it was all a part of the horsey scene. Point-to-point racehorses had to be ridden at a number of hunts to qualify for the following race season for some reason?
You can stick your head in the sand if you like but things still happen in the world.
@trev33 saidThat's one of those debates that could be taken round in circles without finding an answer. How much does trying to see things to broaden your understanding perpetuate and validate them through your presence. How much does not seeing them or pushing them out of sight mean that you argue from ignorance about something you have not seen and can't put in a context or properly understand. I remember massive arguments about whether it was necessary to repeat experiments on live animals when you could watch a recording of it being done.
Of course, the one in India was when I volunteered in a tea plantation, it was the village thing to do on a Sunday and I was invited, wanted to see what it was like. The one in Peru was to write about it, can’t remember what we wrote but it wasn’t fun to watch. Rather pointless with the blades actually.
You could stick it in DF if you wanted to observe the position of America's political parties on the matter. 😁
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@relentless-red saidThere’s a series of Radio 4 podcasts by Jeremy Bowen describing his work as a journalist in the Middle East, one describing what he’d seen of the remains of two houses that had been used as a courtroom and jail in Syria. He explained how he’d have to watch horrific videos just to confirm the truth about what was happening before reporting upon them. I wonder how he ever manages to sleep at night?
That's one of those debates that could be taken round in circles without finding an answer. How much does trying to see things to broaden your understanding perpetuate and validate them through your presence. How much does not seeing them or pushing them out of sight mean that you argue from ignorance about something you have not seen and can't put in a context or prop ...[text shortened]... stick it in DF if you wanted to observe the position of America's political parties on the matter. 😁
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@torunn saidLets say you're correct on this? Why do so many people like in the thousands go watch this event. Also why hasn't the people who fight for animals raise a stink about it? I wonder how long a protect the animals protest would last at an event being held? 🙂
I don't think much of killing animals for entertainment. If the bulls had any say in this, they would prefer to do something else.
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@drewnogal saidThere are some things you don't want your mind exposed to and you don't want to know, but some people explained Saville operating in plain sight for decades as a result of people not wanting to know or think about the difficult stuff. Hard to know the right balance.
There’s a series of Radio 4 podcasts by Jeremy Bowen describing his work as a journalist in the Middle East, one describing what he’d seen of the remains of two houses that had been used as a courtroom and jail in Syria. He explained how he’d have to watch horrific videos just to confirm the truth about what was happening before reporting upon them. I wonder how he ever manages to sleep at night?
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@very-rusty saidOh, they do. Repeatedly. But they're ignored in the name of Tradition.
Lets say you're correct on this? Why do so many people like in the thousands go watch this event. Also why hasn't the people who fight for animals raise a stink about it?