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What is sealioning?

What is sealioning?

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Does sealioning include posting misinformation such as "you did such and such last year" to try and create a reaction?
If the misinformation/ bare faced lie includes the suggestion that somebody displayed a weakness at that time is that simply gaslighting or is it now sealioning as well?
Is the factitious claim sufficient to be called sealioning or is it only sealioning when the cross examination about the factitious event begins?
Is this abusive posting or is it reasonable?

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@Relentless-Red

Sealioning is a newer term made up from a study of internet forums especially RHP. It's a form of trolling where one poster follows another beating the same drum while trying to come off as civil. Wikipedia


Okay not wiki but...

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@relentless-red said
If the misinformation/ bare faced lie includes the suggestion that somebody displayed a weakness at that time is that simply gaslighting or is it now sealioning as well?
Is the factitious claim sufficient to be called sealioning or is it only sealioning when the cross examination about the factitious event begins?
Is this abusive posting or is it reasonable?
Describing your Orwellian attempt to define the word "hypocrisy" last year ~ so as to painstakingly NOT implicate Suzianne ~ as ludicrous is not "misinformation" or a "bare-faced lie".

"Sealioning" is perhaps what you are doing now by starting whole threads to 'define words' instead of just calling stuff out in threads when you see it.

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@fmf said
Describing your Orwellian attempt to define the word "hypocrisy" last year ~ so as to painstakingly NOT implicate Suzianne ~ as ludicrous is not "misinformation" or a "bare-faced lie".

"Sealioning" is perhaps what you are doing now by starting whole threads to 'define words' instead of just calling stuff out in threads when you see it.
Orwellian?
Nope more like Dickens.

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If a reply perpetuates a process rather than causing change, should you reply or leave?

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@relentless-red said
If a reply perpetuates a process rather than causing change, should you reply or leave?
I think when it comes to defining "hypocrisy", "sealioning" and "gaslighting" you are trying too hard to NOT point the finger at certain people. Rather obviously so.

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@relentless-red said
If a reply perpetuates a process rather than causing change, should you reply or leave?
Always leave, because one reply to a troll leads to another...then another...then another...

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@neilarini said
Always leave, because one reply to a troll leads to another...then another...then another...
Of perhaps it’s a conversation, who knows.

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@divegeester said
Of perhaps it’s a conversation, who knows.
perhaps you can have a conversation with a troll. perhaps that is what you call debating.

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@executioner-brand said
perhaps you can have a conversation with a troll. perhaps that is what you call debating.
Two people exchanging comments is a conversation; that conversation could be classed as a debate I suppose.

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@divegeester said
Two people exchanging comments is a conversation; that conversation could be classed as a debate I suppose.
leads to another troll.

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@executioner-brand said
leads to another troll.
Thanks for the banter.

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@divegeester said
Two people exchanging comments is a conversation; that conversation could be classed as a debate I suppose.
Ahem.

An essay in the collection Perspectives on Harmful Speech Online, published by the Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society at Harvard, noted:

Rhetorically, sealioning fuses persistent questioning—often about basic information, information easily found elsewhere, or unrelated or tangential points—with a loudly-insisted-upon commitment to reasonable debate. It disguises itself as a sincere attempt to learn and communicate. Sealioning thus works both to exhaust a target's patience, attention, and communicative effort, and to portray the target as unreasonable. While the questions of the "sea lion" may seem innocent, they're intended maliciously and have harmful consequences.
— Amy Johnson, Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society (May 2019)

Sound familiar? At all?

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@suzianne said
Ahem.

An essay in the collection Perspectives on Harmful Speech Online, published by the Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society at Harvard, noted:

Rhetorically, sealioning fuses persistent questioning—often about basic information, information easily found elsewhere, or unrelated or tangential points—with a loudly-insisted-upon commitment to reasonable debate. ...[text shortened]... — Amy Johnson, Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society (May 2019)

Sound familiar? At all?
Not at all.

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@fmf said
I think when it comes to defining "hypocrisy", "sealioning" and "gaslighting" you are trying too hard to NOT point the finger at certain people. Rather obviously so.
I don't think you grasp the actual meaning of those words.

Those "certain people" are the main progenitors of this behavior at RHP.

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