14 Jul 11
Indeed a sad fact that today 4 out of 10 people will get cancer in their lifetime.
What is shocking is that this is almost 1 out of 2.
Despite years of research and funding (or perhaps because of it), we're no closer to a cure. In fact, I do not foresee ever seeing a cure in my lifetime. There's just too much money at stake for the pharmaceutical industry.
14 Jul 11
Originally posted by SuzianneNot to scratch too small a point, but...
Indeed a sad fact that today 4 out of 10 people will get cancer in their lifetime.
What is shocking is that this is almost 1 out of 2.
Despite years of research and funding (or perhaps because of it), we're no closer to a cure. In fact, I do not foresee ever seeing a cure in my lifetime. There's just too much money at stake for the pharmaceutical industry.
Four out of ten is nowhere near/almost one out of two. They just sound closer than they really are.
14 Jul 11
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Originally posted by FreakyKBH4 out of 10 is closer to 1 out of 2 than is 1 out of 10. And need I remind you that what is called 4 out of 10 could actually be as high as 44%, while 1 out of 2 could actually be as low as 45%.
Not to scratch too small a point, but...
Four out of ten is nowhere near/almost one out of two. They just sound closer than they really are.
14 Jul 11
Originally posted by WoodgieI think they meant people who live long enough will DIE from cancer 4 out of 10 times, others go from heart disease, a small % will go from something more exotic.
Can someone explain how:
UK Population = 62.3million
People who die [b]with "cancer" = 246,000
Equates to 4 in 10 people will get cancer?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-14140424
Edit: I work it out roughly at 1 in 238.
Edit: Or a little closer: 1 in 253[/b]
Cancer or heart disease, take your pick, once you break 70 or so you're going to cash in by one or the other.
I'm 60 and drink a lot to help keep my mind off of that fact, so maybe my liver will go first.
14 Jul 11
Originally posted by KewpieDid you see the word "with" and not "from".
Cancer is not an automatic death sentence these days, by any measure you use. That news report didn't equate incidence with death in the way you implied that it did.
After reading your reply, did you even read the thread title?
14 Jul 11
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Originally posted by Zapp BranniganIgnore the illness, and just think about the math.
I think they meant people who live long enough will DIE from cancer 4 out of 10 times, others go from heart disease, a small % will go from something more exotic.
Cancer or heart disease, take your pick, once you break 70 or so you're going to cash in by one or the other.
I'm 60 and drink a lot to help keep my mind off of that fact, so maybe my liver will go first.
Incidentally my friend, don't let them try and scare the crap out of you with very dodgy maths.
Unless you take your own life, no one can predict with any decent accuracy how and when you will die.
They would like to think they can, but in reality it is not that easy.
Ask any palliative care nurse.
The very last patient I ever worked with was a Surgeon that had it in the back of his knee to start with, and the poor bugger was a health freak.
14 Jul 11
Originally posted by WoodgieHere is some back of the envelope math (which assumes life expectancy of 80 and uniform death rates and population distribution, etc):
Can someone explain how:
UK Population = 62.3million
People who die [b]with "cancer" = 246,000
Equates to 4 in 10 people will get cancer?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-14140424
Edit: I work it out roughly at 1 in 238.
Edit: Or a little closer: 1 in 253[/b]
UK Population: 62.3 Million
Life Expectancy: 80 years
==> 778K deaths / year.
If 246K die from cancer, then 246/778 =32% from cancer, which is in the ballpark given the assumptions.
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14 Jul 11
4/10? i thought it was 1/3...
i remember doing a sex ed thing in school when i was about 13, 9 of us in the class the nurse ends up talking about the likelihood of us getting cancer, she states that 1 in 3 of us will suffer from cancer at some stage in our lives. this wasn't enough though, she had to follow this up by picking 3 of us out (me included) saying that the 3 of us could get cancer while the others might not. some of my class mates might not have been the brightest bulb at the tanning salon but i'm pretty sure we all could work out what 1/3 meant... if i was american i would've sued her for implying i might get cancer while the others might not.
14 Jul 11
Originally posted by WoodgieA little personal background. When I got my first cancer 8 years ago, I spent a huge amount of time working out the maths for it. Out of 100 women, 11 will get it. Of those 11, 3 will get a recurrence in the same area. Of those 3, preventive radiation (6 weeks of pain, another 6 months recovery time) will only save 1, the other 2 will die anyway within 5 years.
Did you see the word "with" and not "from".
After reading your reply, did you even read the thread title?
I have recently had my second cancer (a totally different type) removed and am in the process of investigating the same numbers. Apparently they aren't nearly as optimistic for this type.
Since the mortality rates are usually given only as 5-year numbers, we cancer survivors live every day with the awareness of them. We read ALL those articles, obsessively, and usually read them very carefully, looking for a way out for ourselves. Yes, I did see the word "with" and not "from", I will be one of the "with" people and I hope not to be one of the "from" people. I certainly don't equate the two. Happy now?
14 Jul 11
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Originally posted by WoodgieThe entire post is worded badly and ambigous. It sounds like it is supposed to mean that 4 in 10 people who get cancer will die. Or does it mean that 4 in 10 people actually die while suffering from cancer but not as a direct result from it. Or maybe 4 in 10 people will suffer with cancer in their life times.Who knows?
Did you see the word "with" and not "from".
After reading your reply, did you even read the thread title?
Statistics statistics statistics.
Blah de blah de blah
BIG FAT EDIT
RIGHT
I've read the article properly. It referred to the amount of people dying 'with cancer' in one year. You can't simply express this as a percentage of the total UK population. You see?
I'm not sure exactly how they work this out as a percentage. Maybe they compare it to the total deaths in the same year?
14 Jul 11
Originally posted by trev33If you are unfortunate to suffer from it, don't let it feck you over twice, once by spending your life worrying about it, and twice by actually suffering with it.
4/10? i thought it was 1/3...
i remember doing a sex ed thing in school when i was about 13, 9 of us in the class the nurse ends up talking about the likelihood of us getting cancer, she states that 1 in 3 of us will suffer from cancer at some stage in our lives. this wasn't enough though, she had to follow this up by picking 3 of us out (me included) sayi ...[text shortened]... was american i would've sued her for implying i might get cancer while the others might not.
14 Jul 11
Originally posted by jimslyp69It was meant to scare the crap out of you.
The entire post is worded badly and ambigous. It sounds like it is supposed to mean that 4 in 10 people who get cancer will die. Or does it mean that 4 in 10 people actually die while suffering from cancer but not as a direct result from it. Or maybe 4 in 10 people will suffer with cancer in their life times.Who knows?
Statistics statistics statistics. ...[text shortened]... work this out as a percentage. Maybe they compare it to the total deaths in the same year?
What are we supposed to do with that information if (and I doubt it) that information is correct.
If they had thrown in a don't smoke cigarettes made by a dubious process to increase profits, don't drink, don't eat food grown next to motorways or made with crappy GM nonsense, don't live on a planet with nuclear power stations, don't use petrol, don't live next door to someone with an old asbestos roof they are happily chopping up, it might have left me happier.
What the feck are we supposed to do????
But if we give money to someone, it will all go away.
Bollox, bring it on.
0.5% of the population die every year, which year is mine (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=952)?
(which is actually dropping, go figure)
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