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@trev33 saiddeath notices are Vital Statistics in California....this is available to the public !
Why it is your business why anyone died other than the families?
And is 40 old?
@trev33 saiddeath notices are Vital Statistics in California....this is available to the public !
Why it is your business why anyone died other than the families?
And is 40 old?
@trev33 saidIt's not so much a "need to know", Trev, it is just seeing a surge in young people
Why it is your business why anyone died other than the families?
And is 40 old?
@earl-of-trumps saidIt's important to have population statistics, but that doesn't mean we need families to go public about individual stories. As long as the information is collected when death certificates are registered the public can see population statistics as they should whilst individual families are respected as well. For me the system breaks down when coroners record open verdicts because they feel they are taking care of the family. That can lead to under estimation of suicide stats and poor understanding of the level of need.
It's not so much a "need to know", Trev, it is just seeing a surge in young people
who die young. We don't always know the cause, of course, so we guess what
it might be. And that is what this thread is.
@petewxyz saidPete, for certain, people don't have a right to snoop into private affairs. I get it.
It's important to have population statistics, but that doesn't mean we need families to go public about individual stories. As long as the information is collected when death certificates are registered the public can see population statistics as they should whilst individual families are respected as well. For me the system breaks down when coroners record open verdicts bec ...[text shortened]... ily. That can lead to under estimation of suicide stats and poor understanding of the level of need.
@earl-of-trumps saidHard to see, thanks for sharing your personal experience which is hard to do. There was a lot of substance abuse around me when I was a kid, but what I saw in my working life suggested kids were getting introduced to manufactured and stronger substances much earlier with some devastating consequences. The manufactured skunk was a completely different thing to the cannabis of my childhood with levels of THC that could even result in visual hallucinations.
Pete, for certain, people don't have a right to snoop into private affairs. I get it.
But people are quite naturally disturbed by this, as we all should be.
I have memories back when AIDS was incurable of seeing the same thing.
the young people that died without explanation were suddenly looked at
suspiciously as possible AIDS victims. And clearly everyone had th ...[text shortened]... . It just means that much to me. I hate drugs
for all the destruction and killing they have caused.
@petewxyz saidThanks for that Pete. So we see that part of the problem is genetics. Not surprising, really. Just as some people are more prone to addictive behavior than others. I know I am one that has addictive behavior and if I ever did try drugs, I would have been gone long ago.
Hard to see, thanks for sharing your personal experience which is hard to do. There was a lot of substance abuse around me when I was a kid, but what I saw in my working life suggested kids were getting introduced to manufactured and stronger substances much earlier with some devastating consequences. The manufactured skunk was a completely different thing to the cannabis of ...[text shortened]... less in a city like Liverpool. The budget may have changed but when I saw it, it was a single nurse.
@earl-of-trumps saidMany of those who make the big money on drugs don't use them - it's the dealers lower in the hierarchy that are the addicts. Or so I have been told. It makes the business even more cynical.
Thanks for that Pete. So we see that part of the problem is genetics. Not surprising, really. Just as some people are more prone to addictive behavior than others. I know I am one that has addictive behavior and if I ever did try drugs, I would have been gone long ago.
Very sad and I have thought many a time - "what can be done?".
Tough to come up with a reasonabl ...[text shortened]... and they can be very persuasive, too.
Maybe if I live long enough, we can see improvement. Maybe.
@torunn saidI would guess a very small percentage of people who make the big money from selling drugs actually use it, hell they don't even sell them they have others to that for them.
Many of those who make the big money on drugs don't use them - it's the dealers lower in the hierarchy that are the addicts. Or so I have been told. It makes the business even more cynical.
@very-rusty saidThey send young people into drug addiction, prostitution and other criminal activities - what kind of monsters are they?
I would guess a very small percentage of people who make the big money from selling drugs actually use it, hell they don't even sell them they have others to that for them.
-VR
@torunn saidYes, and it happens all over the world in many different countries.
They send young people into drug addiction, prostitution and other criminal activities - what kind of monsters are they?
@very-rusty saidSome of them may have families - wife, children, parents, siblings - how can they live with themselves?
Yes, and it happens all over the world in many different countries.
The money guys just don't care they are just greedy for the money they haul in daily!
-VR
@torunn saidI believe many of them have families, wife, mistresses, & children. The odds are pretty good in many cases the siblings or parents don't even know what is going on.
Some of them may have families - wife, children, parents, siblings - how can they live with themselves?
@torunn saidThe worst one I encountered which I believe is not unusual is the 'drug party'. A vulnerable teenager is invited and they get to invite their mates to show off the company they now keep. To their dismay at the end of the party they are presented with 'the bill' for the drugs as of course it was their party, didn't they realise!
They send young people into drug addiction, prostitution and other criminal activities - what kind of monsters are they?
@torunn saidOh, did you ever hit a sore spot there, Torrun, legalized dangerous DEALING.
Many of those who make the big money on drugs don't use them - it's the dealers lower in the hierarchy that are the addicts. Or so I have been told. It makes the business even more cynical.
@torunn saidYes, Torunn and yet, to me, there is no public outcry. WHY.
They send young people into drug addiction, prostitution and other criminal activities - what kind of monsters are they?