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  1. Standard member flexmore
    Quack Quack Quack !
    29 Feb '04 08:38
    in normal rules of chess this is the rule,

    by common sense there must be something here or the number of timeout wins will inflate.

    Game 407208 is a case in point.

    i have offerred a draw but was refused.
  2. Standard member thire
    Xebite
    29 Feb '04 08:44
    Originally posted by flexmore
    in normal rules of chess this is the rule,

    by common sense there must be something here or the number of timeout wins will inflate.

    Game 407208 is a case in point.

    i have offerred a draw but was refused.
    send a message to russ
    th
  3. 29 Feb '04 11:33
    Originally posted by flexmore
    in normal rules of chess this is the rule,

    by common sense there must be something here or the number of timeout wins will inflate.

    Game 407208 is a case in point.

    i have offerred a draw but was refused.
    I would send a PM to your opponent saying that the next move you make in the game will repeat the position for the third time and you claim a draw by repetition, then send the move with a draw offer.

    If this doesn't work THEN send a PM to Russ.
  4. Standard member thire
    Xebite
    29 Feb '04 12:29
    Originally posted by colleman
    I would send a PM to your opponent saying that the next move you make in the game will repeat the position for the third time and you claim a draw by repetition, then send the move with a draw offer.

    If this doesn't work THEN send a PM to Russ.
    Yes, of course.
    th
  5. Standard member Phlabibit
    Mystic Meg
    29 Feb '04 15:34
    Might even be 4 rep now?

    P-
  6. 29 Feb '04 22:18
    I pasted the game on WinBoard and get this:

    [Event "Clan" ]
    [Site "http://www.timeforchess.com" ]
    [Date "2004.02.15" ]
    [Round "?" ]
    [White "Ullichamp" ]
    [Black "flexmore" ]
    [Result "1/2-1/2" ]
    [GameId "407208" ]

    1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 e6 4. Nf3 Nd7 5. Bd3 a6 6. O-O c5
    7. c3 Ne7 8. Re1 Nc6 9. Ng5 Be7 10. h4 g6 11. Qf3 O-O
    12. Qg3 cxd4 13. cxd4 Nxd4 14. Be3 Nf5 15. Bxf5 exf5
    16. h5 Nc5 17. Qh2 Bxg5 18. Bxc5 Re8 19. Nc3 Be6
    20. Rad1 Be7 21. Bxe7 Rxe7 22. Rd4 Rc8 23. Red1 Rd7
    24. Qg3 Rc4 25. b3 Rxd4 26. Rxd4 Qc7 27. Qe3 Qd8
    28. Na4 Qa5 29. Nc3 Qd8 30. Na4 Qa5 31. Nc3 Qd8
    32. Na4 {Drawn by 3-fold repetition} 1/2-1/2

    WinBoard decided that the move 32.Na4 does the draw (the result and the comment where added by WinBoard).
  7. Standard member Redmike
    Godless Commie
    01 Mar '04 15:59
    I don't know what Winboard is, but declaring a game drawn because the position has repeated 3 times is just wrong.
    The rules are that a player may claim a draw if the position repeats 3 times. If no player claims the draw (because they think they're winning or because they don't realise the position's repeated or whatever), then its not a draw.
  8. 01 Mar '04 16:57
    Originally posted by Redmike
    I don't know what Winboard is, but declaring a game drawn because the position has repeated 3 times is just wrong.
    The rules are that a player may claim a draw if the position repeats 3 times. If no player claims the draw (because they think they're winning or because they don't realise the position's repeated or whatever), then its not a draw.
    Don't know Winboard? http://www.tim-mann.org/xboard.html - With it you can play on Internet, play against a computer, make computer vs. computer games, and view PGN files.

    About the drawn rules, http://www.fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=EE101

    5.2 d) The game may be drawn if any identical position is about to appear or has appeared on the chessboard at least three times. (See Article 9.2)

    9.2 The game is drawn, upon a correct claim by the player having the move, when the same position, for at least the third time (not necessarily by sequential repetition of moves)

    1. is about to appear, if he first writes his move on his scoresheet and declares to the arbiter his intention to make this move, or
    2. has just appeared, and the player claiming the draw has the move.

    --

    Maybe the program is wrong in declaring the game a drawn by repetition, considering that I was only viewing the PGN file for the game, but...
  9. Standard member Redmike
    Godless Commie
    01 Mar '04 17:22
    Maybe the program is wrong in declaring the game a drawn by repetition, considering that I was only viewing the PGN file for the game, but...[/b]
    Sorry, I'm not sure what your saying here. I thought you were arguing for some kind of automated means of telling the players when a 3-fold repitition has occured, which I disagree with.
    If a game in PGN has a 3-fold repitition which nobody claims, and Winboard processes that PGN file, does Winboard just drop the other moves and decide the game was a draw? Whatever the 'real' result was? Seems a poor tool to me if it does.
  10. 01 Mar '04 17:28
    Originally posted by Redmike
    Sorry, I'm not sure what your saying here. I thought you were arguing for some kind of automated means of telling the players when a 3-fold repitition has occured, which I disagree with.
    If a game in PGN has a 3-fold repitition which nobody claims, and Winboard processes that PGN file, does Winboard just drop the other moves and decide the game was a draw? Whatever the 'real' result was? Seems a poor tool to me if it does.
    No problem, even I'm not sure what I'm saying here... :-) (I'm brazilian, english is second language to me).

    There was not any move to be discarded, the last move is where the 3-fold repetition happens. What i can see is that it changed the result from "*" to "1/2-1/2", meaning a draw. You can see that Winboard generates at my first post in this thread.
  11. Standard member Phlabibit
    Mystic Meg
    01 Mar '04 17:54
    Using winboard with the computer making moves must be why it was called a draw. If you use the view game mode it will not claim a draw.

    It was the chess engine that called the game a draw... just like a person might claim a draw. Just editing a game won't call the game drawn.

    Winboard is good, get it, and enjoy it.

    P-
  12. Subscriber Russ
    RHP Code Monkey
    01 Mar '04 20:13 / 1 edit
    I am working on the new page right now - I will get a preview page up tonight/tomorrow morning for feedback before it is fully implemented into the site.

    -Russ
  13. Standard member Redmike
    Godless Commie
    01 Mar '04 20:25
    Originally posted by Russ
    I am working on the new page right now - I will get a preview page up tonight/tomorrow morning for feedback before it is fully implemented into the site.

    -Russ
    What's the new page gonna do?
  14. Subscriber Russ
    RHP Code Monkey
    01 Mar '04 20:34
    Illustrate any 3+ positions that have occurred and offer the opportunity to call a draw. (Castling and en passant opportunities are considered too, so the rule is properly implemented)

    -Russ
  15. Standard member Redmike
    Godless Commie
    01 Mar '04 20:51
    Originally posted by Russ
    Illustrate any 3+ positions that have occurred and offer the opportunity to call a draw. (Castling and en passant opportunities are considered too, so the rule is properly implemented)

    -Russ
    I would disagree with the software pointing out a 3-fold repetition. Its the player's responsibility to claim it without assistance.