31 Jul 07
If I asked, say, Weyerstrass to play a game with me and tell him I will use a chess program with his permission (just to see it's strength)...and unrated, is it a problem? I could even resign or offer a draw if it comes to it that the program manages to a winning position.
I'm only considering to see how strong of a program it is. It isn't like an engine I don't think but I'd might like to see.
31 Jul 07
Originally posted by RamnedSend feedback.
If I asked, say, Weyerstrass to play a game with me and tell him I will use a chess program with his permission (just to see it's strength)...and unrated, is it a problem? I could even resign or offer a draw if it comes to it that the program manages to a winning position.
I'm only considering to see how strong of a program it is. It isn't like an engine I don't think but I'd might like to see.
01 Aug 07
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Originally posted by RamnedYou will not be able to determine your engines strength against Weyerstrass, He has beaten engines before and he will continue to beat engines at CC chess. Take it to Gameknot, spanky. 😉
If I asked, say, Weyerstrass to play a game with me and tell him I will use a chess program with his permission (just to see it's strength)...and unrated, is it a problem? I could even resign or offer a draw if it comes to it that the program manages to a winning position.
I'm only considering to see how strong of a program it is. It isn't like an engine I don't think but I'd might like to see.
01 Aug 07
Originally posted by RamnedUsing a program whether unrated/friendly is
If I asked, say, Weyerstrass to play a game with me and tell him I will use a chess program with his permission (just to see it's strength)...and unrated, is it a problem? I could even resign or offer a draw if it comes to it that the program manages to a winning position.
I'm only considering to see how strong of a program it is. It isn't like an engine I don't think but I'd might like to see.
a) stupid on a CC site
b) against the TOS
Go to the playchess engine room for engine vs engine games to see how strong your poor pentium II is against machines with up to 32 CPUs in there. Its not a mouthwatering prospect unless you are an expert bookmaker.
03 Aug 07
Originally posted by z00tI decided not to do it. For one, it'll bore the heck out of the opponent, and then I don't want to use it against other engines, the most pointless thing I've ever heard of. I am just curious of how good it is. It takes up to 15 minutes per move.
Using a program whether unrated/friendly is
a) stupid on a CC site
b) against the TOS
Go to the playchess engine room for engine vs engine games to see how strong your poor pentium II is against machines with up to 32 CPUs in there. Its not a mouthwatering prospect unless you are an expert bookmaker.
03 Aug 07
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Originally posted by z00tSo, theoretically you also can't play an unrated game with a better player to get advice and learn from chess, as that would be third party help.
Using a program whether unrated/friendly is
a) stupid on a CC site
b) against the TOS
Go to the playchess engine room for engine vs engine games to see how strong your poor pentium II is against machines with up to 32 CPUs in there. Its not a mouthwatering prospect unless you are an expert bookmaker.
You can play an unrated game any way you like. You can get help from a coach, an engine, or the person you are playing. As long as the ratings are not affected, you can do anything you like unrated... as long as you let the other person know.
Find something worthy of worry about... and I don't mean PADDING!
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03 Aug 07
Originally posted by RamnedYou don't need to let it think the full 15 minutes... you can force a move with most engines, or even watch it think and just make that move.
I decided not to do it. For one, it'll bore the heck out of the opponent, and then I don't want to use it against other engines, the most pointless thing I've ever heard of. I am just curious of how good it is. It takes up to 15 minutes per move.
Boring as heck, I don't see how some people can actually cheat and play all their games this way.
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04 Aug 07
Originally posted by PhlabibitI believe the terms of service do allow you to receive help from your opponent even in a rated game. He is the second party to the game, not a "third party" in legal terms.
So, theoretically you also can't play an unrated game with a better player to get advice and learn from chess, as that would be third party help.
You can play an unrated game any way you like [...] as long as you let the other person know.
If unrated games really have no restrictions, then (a) the terms of service should say so, and (b) the site should make it possible for everyone to tell whether a game is rated or not.
04 Aug 07
Originally posted by John of ReadingGood points... I don't think anyone's ever going to get enough help from their opponent to actually win... just play a better game. If they lose, they are TOO GOOD a teacher... 😉
I believe the terms of service do allow you to receive help from your opponent even in a rated game. He is the second party to the game, not a "third party" in legal terms.
If unrated games really have no restrictions, then (a) the terms of service should say so, and (b) the site should make it possible for everyone to tell whether a game is rated or not.
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04 Aug 07
Originally posted by John of ReadingPhlabibit shouldn't be a mod if he doesn't understand the rules. Do unrated games end up in the games explorer?
I believe the terms of service do allow you to receive help from your opponent even in a rated game. He is the second party to the game, not a "third party" in legal terms.
If unrated games really have no restrictions, then (a) the terms of service should say so, and (b) the site should make it possible for everyone to tell whether a game is rated or not.
06 Aug 07
OK FOLKS!~
Russ just messaged me and said he doesn't want ANY chess engine play, rated or unrated. So the answer is a BIG FAT NO ENGINES AT ALL.
Russ feels any engine use could make a player comfortable using the engine and lead to cheating.
I can't say I'm sad or surprised, as the few games I did play unrated as an engine were boring, and really didn't teach me anything.
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