#### Help Forum

1.  joesheppe
Lesser Poobah
15 Dec '09 19:47
I'm puzzled as to why I cannot enter the 1800+ Dec quartets at my rating of 1783 (tourney entry rating 1794), when I see a 1655-rated player in the 1700-1800 of the same quartet series??

How does that work? Thanks in advance.
2.  zozozozo
15 Dec '09 20:04 / 1 edit
Originally posted by joesheppe
I'm puzzled as to why I cannot enter the 1800+ Dec quartets at my rating of 1783 (tourney entry rating 1794), when I see a 1655-rated player in the 1700-1800 of the same quartet series??

How does that work? Thanks in advance.
You cant join the 1800+ since your tournament entry rating is not bigger or equal to 1800.

A 1655 rated player is only able to join a 1700-1800 tournament if his tournament entry rating is between 1700 and 1800.

edit: you were refering to User 158247 and as you can see his tournament entry rating is 1787.
3.  joesheppe
Lesser Poobah
16 Dec '09 19:47
I guess my math is different from yours. In my math, 1787 is less than 1800, the required tourney entry rating.

So I still don't hve my answer.
4.  joesheppe
Lesser Poobah
16 Dec '09 19:50
I forgot to say, by the way, that he is successfully entered in the 1800+ tourney (?!)

How??
5. 16 Dec '09 20:46
Originally posted by joesheppe
I'm puzzled as to why I cannot enter the 1800+ Dec quartets at my rating of 1783 (tourney entry rating 1794), when I see a 1655-rated player in the 1700-1800 of the same quartet series??

How does that work? Thanks in advance.
You can only enter a tournament when your tournament entry rating is within the rates dictated.

Your current rating is pretty much irrelevant when it comes to entering a banded tournament as your tournament entry rating cannot be less 100 lower than your highest rating.

At present your tournament entry rating is 1794 so for instance you could

enter

A tournament for 1750-2000
A tournament for 1600-1900

but not enter

A tournament for 1650 to 1750
A tournament for 1800-2000

However, should your rating drop to say 1500 then your tournament entry rating would be capped at 1706 being 100 points below your maximum rating of 1806.

This would mean that you could enter

A tournament for 1700-2300
A tournament for 1600-1900

but not enter

A tournament for 1450 to 1550
A tournament for 1500-1700

It would also mean that had you entered a tournament for 1750-2000 (which was yet top start) and then divebombed to a 1500 rating you would still be eligible for that tournament because you were eligible when you initially entered. However if you were to withdraw from the tournament before it started and then decided to re-enter you would not be able to rejoin as your tournament entry rating was below the minimum required.

The easiest way to look at it is this, if someone is in a tournament then they have been eligible at the point they joined, even if it appears they are no longer eligible.
6.  joesheppe
Lesser Poobah
16 Dec '09 22:07
Thank you VERY much for taking the considerable time to reply, but I have one wrinkle to expose. That 1700-1800 tourney for the 1655 player mentioned, was brand new. There is little chance that his rating divebombed 45 pts in one day. And anyway, I've seen this sorrt of thing many times. Not only that. I was able to enter an 1800+ tournament while rated 1787 a month ago. I didn't ask questions then. I just entered it.
7. 17 Dec '09 02:29
I don't think you understand how the system works.

That player was rated 1655, which is below the minum entry rating for that tournament. However, his tournament entry rating is 1787. This means that at some time in the past year, he was rated at least 1787. In his case, he was rated 1887 a while back. The tournament entry rating can never fall more than 100 points below the highest rating in the past year. Since 1887 - 1655 = 232, which is more than a 100, his tournament entry rating is will never go below 1887 in the next year. Tourament entry rating is calculated using the formula: Current rating+Highest Rating)/2

In your case, your tourament rating was above 1800 when you entered the tournament. 1787, as you say, doesn't work. However, it's likely that you made a mistake and your rating had actually jumped a few points. By looking at your profile, I can see that your rating was 1787 for a bit, but then jumped to 1803 when you beat someone rated 1950. (1803+1806)/2= 1804.5 which is within the rating limits. This is probably what happened.

Hope this helped
8. 17 Dec '09 16:54
Originally posted by joesheppe
Thank you VERY much for taking the considerable time to reply, but I have one wrinkle to expose. That 1700-1800 tourney for the 1655 player mentioned, was brand new. There is little chance that his rating divebombed 45 pts in one day. And anyway, I've seen this sorrt of thing many times. Not only that. I was able to enter an 1800+ tournament while rated 1787 a month ago. I didn't ask questions then. I just entered it.
What has happened in these cases is that the tournaments have been "open" for a while but not started.

For example

Tournament 6945 never commenced until the 3rd May 2009 however Tournament 6923 started on the 8th April 2009.

These tournaments would have been initiated at the same time but the lower rated tournament filled up much quicker and so started sooner.