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    26 Nov '08 15:071 edit
    This is a continuation of Thread 104152.

    PAWN RIOT has just sent the move 17.Qxc3 leading to this.



    17. ... Qc7 is the standard continuation.
  2. Standard memberblack beetle
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    26 Nov '08 15:33
    17. ...Qc7 is OK for me too;
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    17... Qc7 is pretty normal, It say, I will move Rb8 now.

    but white can do Ka1.
  4. Standard memberrandolph
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    26 Nov '08 16:30
    Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
    This is a continuation of Thread 104152.

    PAWN RIOT has just sent the move 17.Qxc3 leading to this.

    [pgn]1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 0-0 8.Qd2 Nc6 9.Bc4 Bd7 10.0-0-0 Rc8 11.Bb3 Ne5 12.Kb1 Nc4 13.Bxc4 Rxc4 14.g4 b5 15.b3 b4 16.bxc4 bxc3 17.Qxc3[/pgn]

    17. ... Qc7 is the standard continuation.
    Yeah, I think we pretty much have to play Qc7.
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    Yep, without doubt, Qc7 looks like the way forward....
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    26 Nov '08 18:17
    Well, now that we have gotten ourselves into this, Qc7 is the only move.
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    17. ... Qc7 indeed.
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    I see no options besides Qc7.
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    26 Nov '08 23:08
    17...Qc7
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    26 Nov '08 23:303 edits
    ...Qc7

    Being the exchange down and a further pawn down, with a knight on the rim, we probably have to play as actively as possible from here on in.

    We have to value pieces according to their energy, or dynamic potential

    At least White has compromised his kingside pawn structure with g4, making our exchange sacrifice more likely to be effective.
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    And what about the stupid looking Qb6+
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    27 Nov '08 02:531 edit
    Originally posted by Sophy
    And what about the stupid looking Qb6+
    From Dearing, "Play the Sicilian Dragon", p.124, "17...Qb6+ 18.Nb3 does not leave White in any obvious danger. Note that 18...Nxe4 19. Qxg7+ Kxg7 20. Bxb6 Nc3+ 21. Ka1 is just clearly better for White. Perhaps Black could play something slower, such as 18...Qa6 followed by 19...Rc8 and 20...Be6, rounding up the fragile c4-pawn. However, after 19. Bd4 I still much prefer White."

    Before Stocek's discovery of 17...Qc7, 17...Qb6+ was the best that Dearing could come up with.
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    27 Nov '08 04:02
    I was sure something like Nb3 would refute Qb6...

    Still, I hope we get an attack. how would we get our attack after 18 Ka1.
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    27 Nov '08 04:35
    Originally posted by Sophy
    I was sure something like Nb3 would refute Qb6...

    Still, I hope we get an attack. how would we get our attack after 18 Ka1.
    You don't have to attack right now but to equalize by means of changing the equilibrium, for the seemingly ideal position of the White has a drawback -it cannot be improved; thus s simple expand in the kingside and some activity in the centre will be enough for the Black
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    Qc7 and then what?
    18. ... Rc8
    or Rb8 (it sounds useless to me)
    ?
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