15 Feb '11 18:16>
What are they? What are their characteristics?
I ask not as an obnoxious atheist trying to attack those who believe in such things but as an atheist exploring his spiritual side and trying to comprehend these ideas.
Are the spirit and soul different? I've heard this before. The spirit would be the "animating force" - the mind and instincts, while the soul is different. I like this distinction.
Perhaps because I fear death, and it's convenient to speculate on such things to lessen that fear. For whatever reason I've begun to suspect that one's soul does die with the body, but could be reborn - perhaps elsewhere, perhaps in another universe after the end of this one, perhaps in a billion years on Earth.
Let us assume that the soul is simply a function of a particular arrangement of matter and energy. This is a typical materialist position which I more or less agree with but am uncertain.
This suggests a teleporter can be created (like in Star Trek). One would disintegrate a person and re-create that exact arrangement of matter and energy elsewhere without moving the atoms themselves. OK, seems plausible.
What if you re-created that person without disintegrating the original? What if it was ME (that means you)?
Obviously if you disintegrate a person, they will die. If it's me, I will cease to experience things or speculate on my experiences or lack of them.
If you re-create them elsewhere, won't it be a new person with exactly the same memories, inclinations, body etc who thinks he's me but it's not really me? Because if you re-create yourself without disintegrating yourself, you can't be both people...
Give me your thoughts. Those of you who can't think, go ahead and post anyway. It will amuse HoH and he will amuse the rest of us. π
I ask not as an obnoxious atheist trying to attack those who believe in such things but as an atheist exploring his spiritual side and trying to comprehend these ideas.
Are the spirit and soul different? I've heard this before. The spirit would be the "animating force" - the mind and instincts, while the soul is different. I like this distinction.
Perhaps because I fear death, and it's convenient to speculate on such things to lessen that fear. For whatever reason I've begun to suspect that one's soul does die with the body, but could be reborn - perhaps elsewhere, perhaps in another universe after the end of this one, perhaps in a billion years on Earth.
Let us assume that the soul is simply a function of a particular arrangement of matter and energy. This is a typical materialist position which I more or less agree with but am uncertain.
This suggests a teleporter can be created (like in Star Trek). One would disintegrate a person and re-create that exact arrangement of matter and energy elsewhere without moving the atoms themselves. OK, seems plausible.
What if you re-created that person without disintegrating the original? What if it was ME (that means you)?
Obviously if you disintegrate a person, they will die. If it's me, I will cease to experience things or speculate on my experiences or lack of them.
If you re-create them elsewhere, won't it be a new person with exactly the same memories, inclinations, body etc who thinks he's me but it's not really me? Because if you re-create yourself without disintegrating yourself, you can't be both people...
Give me your thoughts. Those of you who can't think, go ahead and post anyway. It will amuse HoH and he will amuse the rest of us. π