Originally posted by galveston75We all know that getting involved with Christmas is one of the 141 things that you cannot do. Here is a complete list of the things that JWs cannot do:
So are all the Christians getting ready for Christmas this year?
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Other%20Pagan%20Mumbo-Jumbo/christmas.htm
1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
3.Associate with people outside their organization when it is not necessary.
4.Attend social functions sponsored by their employer unless attendance is required
5.Associate with coworkers after business hours in a social settings
6.Disagree with their organization’s rules and code of conduct.
7.Disagree with their organization’s doctrines.
8.Contribute to the Presidential Campaign Fund on their tax return
9.Join the armed forces and defend their country
10.Say the Pledge of Allegiance
11.Salute the flag
12.Vote
13.Run for leadership in their organization. (JW’s are ‘appointed’ and invited to be leaders.)
14.Run for leadership in any organization 15.Take a stand for any political issue inside their organization
16.Take a stand on any political or ‘worldly’ issue outside of their organization
17.Campaign for a political candidate
18.Hold political office
19.Discuss politics
20.Be a union steward or shop steward
21.Actively be involved in a union strike
22.Use a gun for protection against humans
23.Become a police officer if a gun is required
24.Wear military uniforms or clothing associated with war
25.Take yoga classes and practice the discipline of yoga.
26.Smoke tobacco and cigars 27.Work full time selling tobacco and cigars
28.Attend Alcoholics Anonymous
29.Donate blood
30.Have blood transfusions
31.Read books, magazines, publications, and literature from other religions.
32.Buy anything from a church store
33.Buy something at a church garage sale
34.Donate items to a church run store
35.Shop at the Salvation Army
36.Work for the Salvation Army
37.Work for another church
38.Play competitive sports on a school team
39.Play competitive sports professionally
40.Run for class president
41.Become a cheerleader
42.Go to the school prom or school dance.
43.Attend class reunions
44.Be hypnotized
45.Accept Jesus as their mediator
46.Join the Boy Scouts
47.Join the Girl Guides
48.Join the YMCA
49.Serve on jury duty
50.Study psychology, philosophy, sociology, and viewpoints that might shake their faith
51.Attend other Christian churches
52.Attend nondenominational churches
53.Attend non Christian churches
54.Get married in another church
55.Dating non believers is discouraged
56.Casual dating is discouraged
57.Dating someone without the intent of getting married
58.Having sex before marriage
59.Breaking an engagement, separation, and ‘unscriptural’ divorce may result in disciplinary action
60.Marriage to non believers is not recommended
61.Be gay or lesbian. Homosexuality is not acceptable.
62.Throw rice at a wedding
63.Get divorced unless the reason is adultery
64.Can’t remarry unless their ex commits fornication first
65.Toast drinks
66.Buy a raffle ticket
67.Play bingo
68.Gamble
69.Sing any holiday songs
70.Sing the National Anthem.
71.Celebrate Christmas – Why?
72.Celebrate New Years Eve – Why?
73.Celebrate Easter – Why?
74.Celebrate Mother’s Day – Why?
75.Celebrate Father’s Day
76.Celebrate birthdays – Why?
77.Celebrate Thanksgiving
78.Celebrate Flag Day
79.Celebrate Veteran’s Day
80.Celebrate Independence Day. Why?
81.Celebrate Saint Patrick’s Day
82.Celebrate Valentine’s Day
83.Celebrate Halloween – Why?
84.Celebrate Hanukkah
85.Accept holiday gifts – Why?
86.Celebrate any holiday except the death of Jesus – Why?
87.Partake in the bread and wine that represents Christ unless they are part of the 144,000
88.Make holiday artwork for school
89.Engage in holiday parties at school
90.Take on a leadership role in school
91.Porneia
92.Do suggestive and immodest dancing in a public place
93.Attend a class, workshop, or seminar, sponsored by another church 94.Attend social events or fund raisers sponsored by another church
95.Use of bad language (curse words) is discouraged
96.Wear blue jeans, shorts, and overly casual clothing at the Kingdom Hall. See Dress Code
97.Wear pants at a Kingdom Hall if you’re a woman
98.Wear revealing clothes or skirts that are too short (looked down upon)
99.Wear long hair or facial hair if you’re a man (depends on the local customs of the country you live in)
100.Body piercing are discouraged
101.Tattoos are discouraged
102.State or imply that the Watchtower is not run by Jehovah God.
103.Have discussions and express Bible based viewpoints that contradict the organization’s beliefs
104.Say anything negative about their organization. JW’s must ‘speak in agreement’ and be ‘like-minded’.
105.Consider other religious beliefs as valid and truthful.
106.Acknowledge any prayer spoken by a non believer as valid
107.Take another Jehovah’s Witness to court (with exceptions)
108.Wear or own a cross
109.Own any religious picture
110.Own any religious statue
111.Engage in idolatry
112.Believe in miracles (except those found in the Bible)
113.Believe in ghosts
114.Witchcraft
115.Black magic
116.White magic
117.Consult with a psychic or become one
118.Study tarot cards, get a reading or give a reading
119.Study numerology or get a reading
120.Dabble in ESP (extrasensory perception), dowsing, or divination
121.Use a tool such as a pendulum to access information from the spiritual realm
122.Attempt to communicate with departed spirits.
123.Attend a seance
124.Believe in good luck or say things such as ‘Good luck to you’. Why?
125.Believe or say anything superstitious
126.Prophesy
127.Speaking in tongues
128.Laying on of hands
129.Energy healing such as Reiki
130.Read their horoscope
131.Study astrology or zodiac signs
132.Combat training, boxing, or martial arts
133.Go to heaven unless they are part of the 144,000
134.Worship Jesus as God
135.Idolize any celebrity or love and admire them to excess
136.Women can’t be elders
137.Women can’t be ministerial servants (assistants to the elders)
138.Divulge secret information to enemies and those not entitled to know.
139.Greet or talk with disfellowshipped persons (with some exceptions)
140.Associate with disfellowshipped persons except for immediate family living in the same house
141.Keep secrets from the organization. Jehovah’s Witnesses report friends and family members breaking the rules
25 Nov 15
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Originally posted by Rajk9991. garbage, you can join practically any club you like to socialize
We all know that getting involved with Christmas is one of the 141 things that you cannot do. Here is a complete list of the things that JWs cannot do:
1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
3.Associate with people outside their ...[text shortened]... from the organization. Jehovah’s Witnesses report friends and family members breaking the rules
2. garbage i have not a few friends who are not witnesses
3. garbage i associate with people who are not witnesses
4. garbage
5. garbage etc etc etc
did I tell you that your list is garbage? No? well now you know.
ooops witchcraft is true, we cannot engage in witchcraft then again i don't know many Christians who can, do you? what about black magic, as a Christian do you often engage in black magic?
25 Nov 15
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemMy dad always converted to being a JW right before Christmas ever year and the renouncing them the month after.
Scrooges gonna scrooge.
I figured it was so he didn't have to buy Christmas presents but I didn't know whey he later renounced the religion. He said he just couldn't bring himself to go door to door passing out those silly tracts.
25 Nov 15
Originally posted by Rajk999Soooo, what's your issue with these? Aren't most if not all of these things backed up by scripture or have you ever actually read the scriptures in the bible that do back up most of these?
We all know that getting involved with Christmas is one of the 141 things that you cannot do. Here is a complete list of the things that JWs cannot do:
1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
3.Associate with people outside their ...[text shortened]... from the organization. Jehovah’s Witnesses report friends and family members breaking the rules
Just because most so called Christians do these things, does not make them right. You probably do most of them, right? But just out of curiosity which ones do you not do?
Originally posted by galveston75Let's take the first dozen. I'd be curious as to what the specific bible reference would be to justify these 12 restrictions on your freedom:
Soooo, what's your issue with these? Aren't most if not all of these things backed up by scripture or have you ever actually read the scriptures in the bible that do back up most of these?
1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
3.Associate with people outside their organization when it is not necessary.
4.Attend social functions sponsored by their employer unless attendance is required
5.Associate with coworkers after business hours in a social settings
6.Disagree with their organization’s rules and code of conduct.
7.Disagree with their organization’s doctrines.
8.Contribute to the Presidential Campaign Fund on their tax return
9.Join the armed forces and defend their country
10.Say the Pledge of Allegiance
11.Salute the flag
12.Vote
You read those and then said: "What's your issue with these? Aren't most if not all of these things backed up by scripture...?"
So, "not all" of these 12 are backed by the bible but "most" are?
Which ones are biblical and which are not ~ and, of course, which ones are not true in the case of members of your organisation?
25 Nov 15
Originally posted by FMFQuestions 1-5 are all on the same subject. If you are "really wanting the answers" here you go and the is much more here in our site that explains it to you."If you are really wanting to know".
Let's take the first dozen. I'd be curious as to what the specific bible reference would be to justify these 12 restrictions on your freedom:
[b]1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
3.Associate with people outside their organizat ...[text shortened]... h are not ~ and, of course, which ones are not true in the case of members of your organisation?
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/402015606?q=associations&p=par
25 Nov 15
Originally posted by FMFQuestions 6 & 7 are basically the same. "If you are really wanting to know" here you go:
Let's take the first dozen. I'd be curious as to what the specific bible reference would be to justify these 12 restrictions on your freedom:
[b]1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
3.Associate with people outside their organizat ...[text shortened]... h are not ~ and, of course, which ones are not true in the case of members of your organisation?
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2008842#h=14:0-16:443 "Paragraphs 10& 11".
Originally posted by galveston75So, just to be clear ~ and it's you I am addressing ~ you are forbidden from:
Questions 1-5 are all on the same subject. If you are "really wanting the answers" here you go and the is much more here in our site that explains it to you."If you are really wanting to know".
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/402015606?q=associations&p=par
1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
3.Associate with people outside their organization when it is not necessary.
4.Attend social functions sponsored by their employer unless attendance is required
5.Associate with coworkers after business hours in a social settings
Is that so?
25 Nov 15
Originally posted by galveston75So ...
Questions 6 & 7 are basically the same. "If you are really wanting to know" here you go:
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2008842#h=14:0-16:443 "Paragraphs 10& 11".
6.Disagree with their organization’s rules and code of conduct.
7.Disagree with their organization’s doctrines.
How then would you personally go about contributing to the process of improving, correcting, modifying your organization’s rules,code of conduct, and doctrines if you are forbidden from 6. and 7 (above)?
25 Nov 15
Originally posted by FMF8- 12 are all the same in supporting governments: "If you really want to learn", here you go: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010489?q=paying++things+to+caesar%27s&p=par
Let's take the first dozen. I'd be curious as to what the specific bible reference would be to justify these 12 restrictions on your freedom:
[b]1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
3.Associate with people outside their organizat ...[text shortened]... h are not ~ and, of course, which ones are not true in the case of members of your organisation?
25 Nov 15
Originally posted by FMFPray to Jehovah......
So ...
6.Disagree with their organization’s rules and code of conduct.
7.Disagree with their organization’s doctrines.
How then would you personally go about contributing to the process of improving, correcting, modifying your organization’s rules,code of conduct, and doctrines if you are forbidden from 6. and 7 (above)?
25 Nov 15
Originally posted by FMFSo by your question I can tell you probably read nothing in that link?
So, just to be clear ~ and it's you I am addressing ~ you are forbidden from:
1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
3.Associate with people outside their organization when it is not necessary.
4.Attend social functions sponsored ...[text shortened]... s required
5.Associate with coworkers after business hours in a social settings
Is that so?