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    So are all the Christians getting ready for Christmas this year?

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Other%20Pagan%20Mumbo-Jumbo/christmas.htm
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    25 Nov '15 00:47
    Originally posted by galveston75
    So are all the Christians getting ready for Christmas this year?

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Other%20Pagan%20Mumbo-Jumbo/christmas.htm
    Scrooges gonna scrooge.
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    25 Nov '15 00:591 edit
    Originally posted by galveston75
    So are all the Christians getting ready for Christmas this year?

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Other%20Pagan%20Mumbo-Jumbo/christmas.htm
    We all know that getting involved with Christmas is one of the 141 things that you cannot do. Here is a complete list of the things that JWs cannot do:

    1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
    2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
    3.Associate with people outside their organization when it is not necessary.
    4.Attend social functions sponsored by their employer unless attendance is required
    5.Associate with coworkers after business hours in a social settings
    6.Disagree with their organization’s rules and code of conduct.
    7.Disagree with their organization’s doctrines.
    8.Contribute to the Presidential Campaign Fund on their tax return
    9.Join the armed forces and defend their country
    10.Say the Pledge of Allegiance
    11.Salute the flag
    12.Vote
    13.Run for leadership in their organization. (JW’s are ‘appointed’ and invited to be leaders.)
    14.Run for leadership in any organization 15.Take a stand for any political issue inside their organization
    16.Take a stand on any political or ‘worldly’ issue outside of their organization
    17.Campaign for a political candidate
    18.Hold political office
    19.Discuss politics
    20.Be a union steward or shop steward
    21.Actively be involved in a union strike
    22.Use a gun for protection against humans
    23.Become a police officer if a gun is required
    24.Wear military uniforms or clothing associated with war
    25.Take yoga classes and practice the discipline of yoga.
    26.Smoke tobacco and cigars 27.Work full time selling tobacco and cigars
    28.Attend Alcoholics Anonymous
    29.Donate blood
    30.Have blood transfusions
    31.Read books, magazines, publications, and literature from other religions.
    32.Buy anything from a church store
    33.Buy something at a church garage sale
    34.Donate items to a church run store
    35.Shop at the Salvation Army
    36.Work for the Salvation Army
    37.Work for another church
    38.Play competitive sports on a school team
    39.Play competitive sports professionally
    40.Run for class president
    41.Become a cheerleader
    42.Go to the school prom or school dance.
    43.Attend class reunions
    44.Be hypnotized
    45.Accept Jesus as their mediator
    46.Join the Boy Scouts
    47.Join the Girl Guides
    48.Join the YMCA
    49.Serve on jury duty
    50.Study psychology, philosophy, sociology, and viewpoints that might shake their faith
    51.Attend other Christian churches
    52.Attend nondenominational churches
    53.Attend non Christian churches
    54.Get married in another church
    55.Dating non believers is discouraged
    56.Casual dating is discouraged
    57.Dating someone without the intent of getting married
    58.Having sex before marriage
    59.Breaking an engagement, separation, and ‘unscriptural’ divorce may result in disciplinary action
    60.Marriage to non believers is not recommended
    61.Be gay or lesbian. Homosexuality is not acceptable.
    62.Throw rice at a wedding
    63.Get divorced unless the reason is adultery
    64.Can’t remarry unless their ex commits fornication first
    65.Toast drinks
    66.Buy a raffle ticket
    67.Play bingo
    68.Gamble
    69.Sing any holiday songs
    70.Sing the National Anthem.
    71.Celebrate Christmas – Why?
    72.Celebrate New Years Eve – Why?
    73.Celebrate Easter – Why?
    74.Celebrate Mother’s Day – Why?
    75.Celebrate Father’s Day
    76.Celebrate birthdays – Why?
    77.Celebrate Thanksgiving
    78.Celebrate Flag Day
    79.Celebrate Veteran’s Day
    80.Celebrate Independence Day. Why?
    81.Celebrate Saint Patrick’s Day
    82.Celebrate Valentine’s Day
    83.Celebrate Halloween – Why?
    84.Celebrate Hanukkah
    85.Accept holiday gifts – Why?
    86.Celebrate any holiday except the death of Jesus – Why?
    87.Partake in the bread and wine that represents Christ unless they are part of the 144,000
    88.Make holiday artwork for school
    89.Engage in holiday parties at school
    90.Take on a leadership role in school
    91.Porneia
    92.Do suggestive and immodest dancing in a public place
    93.Attend a class, workshop, or seminar, sponsored by another church 94.Attend social events or fund raisers sponsored by another church
    95.Use of bad language (curse words) is discouraged
    96.Wear blue jeans, shorts, and overly casual clothing at the Kingdom Hall. See Dress Code
    97.Wear pants at a Kingdom Hall if you’re a woman
    98.Wear revealing clothes or skirts that are too short (looked down upon)
    99.Wear long hair or facial hair if you’re a man (depends on the local customs of the country you live in)
    100.Body piercing are discouraged
    101.Tattoos are discouraged
    102.State or imply that the Watchtower is not run by Jehovah God.
    103.Have discussions and express Bible based viewpoints that contradict the organization’s beliefs
    104.Say anything negative about their organization. JW’s must ‘speak in agreement’ and be ‘like-minded’.
    105.Consider other religious beliefs as valid and truthful.
    106.Acknowledge any prayer spoken by a non believer as valid
    107.Take another Jehovah’s Witness to court (with exceptions)
    108.Wear or own a cross
    109.Own any religious picture
    110.Own any religious statue
    111.Engage in idolatry
    112.Believe in miracles (except those found in the Bible)
    113.Believe in ghosts
    114.Witchcraft
    115.Black magic
    116.White magic
    117.Consult with a psychic or become one
    118.Study tarot cards, get a reading or give a reading
    119.Study numerology or get a reading
    120.Dabble in ESP (extrasensory perception), dowsing, or divination
    121.Use a tool such as a pendulum to access information from the spiritual realm
    122.Attempt to communicate with departed spirits.
    123.Attend a seance
    124.Believe in good luck or say things such as ‘Good luck to you’. Why?
    125.Believe or say anything superstitious
    126.Prophesy
    127.Speaking in tongues
    128.Laying on of hands
    129.Energy healing such as Reiki
    130.Read their horoscope
    131.Study astrology or zodiac signs
    132.Combat training, boxing, or martial arts
    133.Go to heaven unless they are part of the 144,000
    134.Worship Jesus as God
    135.Idolize any celebrity or love and admire them to excess
    136.Women can’t be elders
    137.Women can’t be ministerial servants (assistants to the elders)
    138.Divulge secret information to enemies and those not entitled to know.
    139.Greet or talk with disfellowshipped persons (with some exceptions)
    140.Associate with disfellowshipped persons except for immediate family living in the same house
    141.Keep secrets from the organization. Jehovah’s Witnesses report friends and family members breaking the rules
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    25 Nov '15 01:043 edits
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    We all know that getting involved with Christmas is one of the 141 things that you cannot do. Here is a complete list of the things that JWs cannot do:

    1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
    2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
    3.Associate with people outside their ...[text shortened]... from the organization. Jehovah’s Witnesses report friends and family members breaking the rules
    1. garbage, you can join practically any club you like to socialize
    2. garbage i have not a few friends who are not witnesses
    3. garbage i associate with people who are not witnesses
    4. garbage
    5. garbage etc etc etc

    did I tell you that your list is garbage? No? well now you know.

    ooops witchcraft is true, we cannot engage in witchcraft then again i don't know many Christians who can, do you? what about black magic, as a Christian do you often engage in black magic?
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    25 Nov '15 01:08
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    Scrooges gonna scrooge.
    LOL even scrooge was forced to give away a turkey, eventually!
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    25 Nov '15 01:50
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    Scrooges gonna scrooge.
    My dad always converted to being a JW right before Christmas ever year and the renouncing them the month after.

    I figured it was so he didn't have to buy Christmas presents but I didn't know whey he later renounced the religion. He said he just couldn't bring himself to go door to door passing out those silly tracts.
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    25 Nov '15 02:03
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    We all know that getting involved with Christmas is one of the 141 things that you cannot do. Here is a complete list of the things that JWs cannot do:

    1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
    2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
    3.Associate with people outside their ...[text shortened]... from the organization. Jehovah’s Witnesses report friends and family members breaking the rules
    Soooo, what's your issue with these? Aren't most if not all of these things backed up by scripture or have you ever actually read the scriptures in the bible that do back up most of these?
    Just because most so called Christians do these things, does not make them right. You probably do most of them, right? But just out of curiosity which ones do you not do?
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    25 Nov '15 02:471 edit
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Soooo, what's your issue with these? Aren't most if not all of these things backed up by scripture or have you ever actually read the scriptures in the bible that do back up most of these?
    Let's take the first dozen. I'd be curious as to what the specific bible reference would be to justify these 12 restrictions on your freedom:

    1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
    2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
    3.Associate with people outside their organization when it is not necessary.
    4.Attend social functions sponsored by their employer unless attendance is required
    5.Associate with coworkers after business hours in a social settings
    6.Disagree with their organization’s rules and code of conduct.
    7.Disagree with their organization’s doctrines.
    8.Contribute to the Presidential Campaign Fund on their tax return
    9.Join the armed forces and defend their country
    10.Say the Pledge of Allegiance
    11.Salute the flag
    12.Vote


    You read those and then said: "What's your issue with these? Aren't most if not all of these things backed up by scripture...?"

    So, "not all" of these 12 are backed by the bible but "most" are?

    Which ones are biblical and which are not ~ and, of course, which ones are not true in the case of members of your organisation?
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    25 Nov '15 03:05
    Originally posted by FMF
    Let's take the first dozen. I'd be curious as to what the specific bible reference would be to justify these 12 restrictions on your freedom:

    [b]1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
    2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
    3.Associate with people outside their organizat ...[text shortened]... h are not ~ and, of course, which ones are not true in the case of members of your organisation?
    Questions 1-5 are all on the same subject. If you are "really wanting the answers" here you go and the is much more here in our site that explains it to you."If you are really wanting to know".
    http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/402015606?q=associations&p=par
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    25 Nov '15 03:08
    Originally posted by FMF
    Let's take the first dozen. I'd be curious as to what the specific bible reference would be to justify these 12 restrictions on your freedom:

    [b]1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
    2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
    3.Associate with people outside their organizat ...[text shortened]... h are not ~ and, of course, which ones are not true in the case of members of your organisation?
    Questions 6 & 7 are basically the same. "If you are really wanting to know" here you go:
    http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2008842#h=14:0-16:443 "Paragraphs 10& 11".
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    25 Nov '15 03:10
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Questions 1-5 are all on the same subject. If you are "really wanting the answers" here you go and the is much more here in our site that explains it to you."If you are really wanting to know".
    http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/402015606?q=associations&p=par
    So, just to be clear ~ and it's you I am addressing ~ you are forbidden from:

    1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
    2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
    3.Associate with people outside their organization when it is not necessary.
    4.Attend social functions sponsored by their employer unless attendance is required
    5.Associate with coworkers after business hours in a social settings

    Is that so?
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    25 Nov '15 03:12
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Questions 6 & 7 are basically the same. "If you are really wanting to know" here you go:
    http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2008842#h=14:0-16:443 "Paragraphs 10& 11".
    So ...

    6.Disagree with their organization’s rules and code of conduct.
    7.Disagree with their organization’s doctrines.

    How then would you personally go about contributing to the process of improving, correcting, modifying your organization’s rules,code of conduct, and doctrines if you are forbidden from 6. and 7 (above)?
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    25 Nov '15 03:14
    Originally posted by FMF
    Let's take the first dozen. I'd be curious as to what the specific bible reference would be to justify these 12 restrictions on your freedom:

    [b]1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
    2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
    3.Associate with people outside their organizat ...[text shortened]... h are not ~ and, of course, which ones are not true in the case of members of your organisation?
    8- 12 are all the same in supporting governments: "If you really want to learn", here you go: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010489?q=paying++things+to+caesar%27s&p=par
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    25 Nov '15 03:15
    Originally posted by FMF
    So ...

    6.Disagree with their organization’s rules and code of conduct.
    7.Disagree with their organization’s doctrines.

    How then would you personally go about contributing to the process of improving, correcting, modifying your organization’s rules,code of conduct, and doctrines if you are forbidden from 6. and 7 (above)?
    Pray to Jehovah......
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    25 Nov '15 03:15
    Originally posted by FMF
    So, just to be clear ~ and it's you I am addressing ~ you are forbidden from:

    1.Belong to another organization or club for the purpose of socializing with nonbelievers.
    2.Have best friends and activity buddies who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses.
    3.Associate with people outside their organization when it is not necessary.
    4.Attend social functions sponsored ...[text shortened]... s required
    5.Associate with coworkers after business hours in a social settings

    Is that so?
    So by your question I can tell you probably read nothing in that link?
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