I have a question about the following Queen's Gambit Declined line:
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.Nf3 h6 6.Bh4??
6.Bh4 appears to be a very common move. The Chessgames.com database lists 1,137 games with this position, many of them recent White victories.
It seems to me that 6.Bh4?? could be easily refuted by 6...g5 7.Bg3 Nh5, a position which allows Black to win the pair and double White's pawns. However, none of the chessgames.com games pursue this line through 8...Nxg3.
So, what am I missing, here?
(Now, guys, this is my first post, so be nice! )
Thx! :-)
Originally posted by MrJohnThree things jump out at me.
I have a question about the following Queen's Gambit Declined line:
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.Nf3 h6 6.Bh4??
[fen]rnbqk2r/ppp1bpp1/4pn1p/3p4/2PP3B/2N2N2/PP2PPPP/R2QKB1R b KQkq[/fen]
6.Bh4 appears to be a very common move. The Chessgames.com database lists 1,137 games with this position, many of them recent White victories.
It seems ...[text shortened]... So, what am I missing, here?
(Now, guys, this is my first post, so be nice! )
Thx! :-)
In general you trade off pieces, but it is hard yet to claim that your bishop pair is an advantage especially with your kingside weaknesses.
Specifically, you open up his h-rook which was previously doing nothing but now threatens your h6 pawn (hxg3). This will make it very difficult for you to castle as it is already clear that the queenside will not be available. Also white still has the option of safely castling kingside.
Secondly (and perhaps most importantly) is that the knight was controlling e4. after minimal preperation, white will play e4 and have the better game.
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Originally posted by MrJohnI suspect the reason is after Nh5 white can play Be5 then if black plays f6 with responds with Qd3 threatening Qg6+ which looks nice. Certainly not a position id willingly enter into as black.
I have a question about the following Queen's Gambit Declined line:
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.Nf3 h6 6.Bh4??
[fen]rnbqk2r/ppp1bpp1/4pn1p/3p4/2PP3B/2N2N2/PP2PPPP/R2QKB1R b KQkq[/fen]
6.Bh4 appears to be a very common move. The Chessgames.com database lists 1,137 games with this position, many of them recent White victories.
It seems So, what am I missing, here?
(Now, guys, this is my first post, so be nice! )
Thx! :-)
Originally posted by MrJohnI think the problem is that black opens up a lot of holes in his kingside by playing g5, and then gives white a nice open file when capturing on g3 - after hxg3, white's rook on h1 is very happy and those doubled g-pawns are not a weakness at all (doubled pawns are not weak by definition - they just often end up being weak). I doubt it's horrible for black of course, but having the two bishops really doesn't mean all that much yet, and I'd be a lot more worried about what you're doing to your pawn structure.
I have a question about the following Queen's Gambit Declined line:
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.Nf3 h6 6.Bh4??
[fen]rnbqk2r/ppp1bpp1/4pn1p/3p4/2PP3B/2N2N2/PP2PPPP/R2QKB1R b KQkq[/fen]
6.Bh4 appears to be a very common move. The Chessgames.com database lists 1,137 games with this position, many of them recent White victories.
It seems ...[text shortened]... So, what am I missing, here?
(Now, guys, this is my first post, so be nice! )
Thx! :-)
Originally posted by MrJohnQuite simply, for my strategem, it ruins the position. My king is exposed on the kingside and the queenside, my major pieces are blocked in, and I just hate the position.
I have a question about the following Queen's Gambit Declined line:
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.Nf3 h6 6.Bh4??
[fen]rnbqk2r/ppp1bpp1/4pn1p/3p4/2PP3B/2N2N2/PP2PPPP/R2QKB1R b KQkq[/fen]
6.Bh4 appears to be a very common move. The Chessgames.com database lists 1,137 games with this position, many of them recent White victories.
It seems ...[text shortened]... So, what am I missing, here?
(Now, guys, this is my first post, so be nice! )
Thx! :-)
Just helping,
ALETHIA
Originally posted by AlethiaThats what I was getting at 🙂
Quite simply, for my strategem, it ruins the position. My king is exposed on the kingside and the queenside, my major pieces are blocked in, and I just hate the position.
Just helping,
ALETHIA
I find it very interesting that the only guy who is rated 2000+ sees the queen infiltration and us mere mortals are just concerned that black cannot castle.
> (doubled pawns are not weak by definition - they just often end up being weak). I doubt it's horrible for black of course, but having the two bishops really doesn't mean all that much yet, and I'd be a lot more worried about what you're doing to your pawn structure.
Hey King! :-)
Thanks for your thoughtful response. :-)
Yes, Black does destroy his kingside pawn structure with this line. I'd assumed that this would commit Black to a queenside castle. However, I see that others here are sceptical of Black's ability to do that.
And, yes, any advantages to Black from this line would be long term, not short term. (So, Black would have to get to the long term first. )
To me, the most helpful part of your post is your suggestion that White should respond with 9.hxg3. I had assumed that White should respond with 9.fxg3, in order to preserve his own kingside pawn structure. However, on looking at it, I agree with you that 9.hxg3 would be stronger.
Many thanks for your help!
:-)
Hey Z! :-)
> I find it very interesting that the only guy who is rated 2000+ sees the queen infiltration and us mere mortals are just concerned that black cannot castle.
Ain't it the truth!! :-D
Well, as the clayiest-footed mortal here, I can't tell you how much I appreciate the assistance!
An agressive Welshman had tied me in knots with this line. Just wait 'til he tries it next time!!
Many thanks to all!
John :-)