Originally posted by toeternitoe Purdy Cecil
Berliner Hans
Timmerman? you mean Timman Jan?
Rittner rings a bell but nope,can't say
Penrose Jonathan
Ragozin? think there's an opening variation named after him but that's all
Baumbach?
Schmid is it Lothar?
Umansky?
toet.
Gert Jan Timmerman, one of the CC greats, 15th ICCF world champion and a Dutchman.
Horst Rittner, another CC world champion. Probably better than Berliner.
Yakov Estrin (you missed him) is another CC world champion and another who was likely better than Berliner.
The rest are all great CC players, mostly world champions but not all. Scmid is indeed Lothar, could have been 3rd or 4th CC world champion but chose to concentrate on OTB chess instead. Jonathan Penrose is the brother of Roger Penrose, the physicist.
Originally posted by Maxacre42 I like how Berliner has a whole book on how D4 wins by force and the first game on the list is a 22 move draw vs King's Indian.
That is a truly awful book. I had a copy from a local charity shop but threw it away because it was full of crap.
Originally posted by Diophantus Gert Jan Timmerman, one of the CC greats, 15th ICCF world champion and a Dutchman.
Horst Rittner, another CC world champion. Probably better than Berliner.
Yakov Estrin (you missed him) is another CC world champion and another who was likely better than Berliner.
The rest are all great CC players, mostly world champions but not all. Scmid is inde ...[text shortened]... ncentrate on OTB chess instead. Jonathan Penrose is the brother of Roger Penrose, the physicist.
Yup,overlooked Estrin.Shame on me!I have a book of his waiting for me to read it.Shame on me again! 😛
So all those guys are/were strong CC players.seems I have to read up on CC historics
Originally posted by nimzo5 I do mean the Soviet machine.. Karpov had an army of high quality players feeding him new lines...
karpov's technique was second to none, the only reason why kasparov had the slightest edge was his more dynamic (more modern) style. both were a head above all the rest, and the only player to even touch their level will be carlsen (in a couple of years from now).
is smyslov the most underrated great ever? only one mention that I can see.
I don't disagree with the original list at all but do feel Morphy should have been included. And I know it is impossible to compare Apples to Apples due to the time period, but was Fischer not the greatest of all? In his prime against anyone on the list in their prime, does Fischer triumph?
Originally posted by dirtysniper I don't disagree with the original list at all but do feel Morphy should have been included. And I know it is impossible to compare Apples to Apples due to the time period, but was Fischer not the greatest of all? In his prime against anyone on the list in their prime, does Fischer triumph?
Originally posted by dirtysniper I don't disagree with the original list at all but do feel Morphy should have been included. And I know it is impossible to compare Apples to Apples due to the time period, but was Fischer not the greatest of all? In his prime against anyone on the list in their prime, does Fischer triumph?
Karpov scared Bobby away. You don't even need Kasparov to beat bobby, just send in Karpov.
"Yakov Estrin (you missed him) is another CC world champion and
another who was likely better than Berliner. "
Have you read 64 Great Chess Games by Harding. My mate Yakov does not
come out of that too well. Bit of controversy about his world title.
(see game Estrin v Morgado)
Hardin and others voted Estrin v Berliner 1965 as the greatest game of
chess ever played.
You play it over without any notes and it's just another good game of chess.
It's when you dive in and see those mind-boggling variations that Estrin
and Berliner had to plough through then you realise what a game of chess it is.
Some of the positions Hardin looks at are amazing.
What Estrin book are you waiting on?
I'm glad to see my old mate Yakov's name mentioned in such company
but I have to warn you. don't trust him. Look at every variation he suggests.
His book on The Two Knights is a work of love for the fantastic and some quite
brilliant (pre-computer )analysis went into that book.
But look and you will find a wee wrinkle here, a wee sneaky pete move there.
(stonking great hole in one game that turns a 1-0 into 0-1).
And that is why I owe Estrin a lot. His wonderful variations sucked me in
and I pulled them to pieces and put them back again.
Sometimes as he left them, other times with an added shot or two.
Sometimes he would just leave you with '..and White has a good attack.'
White by now is bit down and you are now on your own - so it's time
to dive in and find the wins. a brilliant chess book.
I hate to think of the hours me and that one book have spent together.
It's a tactical training manuel. I loved every minute of it.
10 best players.
Gosh I must have taken part in a dozen or so polls on here alone.
These are the guys who games I would never miss playing over.
Not in any order of pref.
Morphy
Blackburne
Tarrasch
Lasker
Alekhine
Keres
Tartakower
Nunn (I nicked his opening rep - what he played, I played).
Fischer
and of couse any game on the 1400 database. 😉
Best chess player ever. Kasparov/Fischer cannot split them.
10 best players
26 Jul '10 20:43
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