Originally posted by Habeascorp Why doesnt castling restart the 50 moves?
Beats me. It should really.
The thought must be that every move that makes it impossible to go back to an previous position should reset the count. Like pawn moves, take moves - and castling.
Originally posted by Habeascorp Why doesnt castling restart the 50 moves?
Castling is neither pawn move nor piece capture. I suppose there is an argument that it should reset the count as it is a non-repeatable move but the rule is written the way it is written.
Whilst the rules are the rules are the rules, I sometimes think that the origin of why the rules are the rules is of interest - but not enough to research the point other than asking the better informed on this site?
Originally posted by Habeascorp Whilst the rules are the rules are the rules, I sometimes think that the origin of why the rules are the rules is of interest - but not enough to research the point other than asking the better informed on this site?
In this case I suspect a mistake when setting up the rules. Whoever decided on the 50 move rule (probably a committee of eminent dunderheads) just missed the castling issue.
what are you guys babbling about? 50-move rule doesn't have anything to do with 'non-repeatable' moves. it's not the 50-move-repetition rule. it's not about repetition.
the count resets on captures & pawn moves, nothing else. castling doesn't capture nor move pawns, hence it doesn't restart the count. end of story. no gray area there.
We are clear on the rule and agree the area is not grey.
Nevertheless, when the great and good sat down and decreed that a pawn move would reset the clock, why did they decide that was the case? 50 moves without any sort of capture may have been rare enough to decree a draw even without the reference to a pawn move. Did they consider castling for resetting the clock and reject it?
Originally posted by Habeascorp We are clear on the rule and agree the area is not grey.
Nevertheless, when the great and good sat down and decreed that a pawn move would reset the clock, why did they decide that was the case? 50 moves without any sort of capture may have been rare enough to decree a draw even without the reference to a pawn move. Did they consider castling for resetting the clock and reject it?
The rule feels illogical by excluding castling.
it's perfectly logical if you just throw that unrelated notion of repetition out of the window.
the rule was deviced to stop people from playing on indefinitely until their opponent resigns. 50-move rule is about giving an upper limit for stalling. castling in the endgame isn't really doing anything. 99 times out 100 it's inferior to simply centralizing the king. it's not making progress.
Originally posted by National Master Dale Is it me that is bewildered.
if you think castling should restart the 50-move count, then yes. if you understand why that would be illogical, then no. it's not a matter of opinion like many people here seem to think.
50 move rule?
19 Apr '10 02:13
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