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  1. 06 Oct '12 11:55 / 14 edits
    Here is my first competitive over the board game for about 6 years. It was a first round club championship game. Our championship is split into two groups, one of the three strongest players who play each other twice, and one of the 5 weaker players, who play each other once, drawing colours. The winners of each section will play each other in the Club Championship final. First up I had probably the strongest player in our section, graded 111ECF, and unfortunately I drew black. Here is the game, I've made some comments and I'm going to stick it through my copy of RJHindenbritz13 later, but I'd appreciate some gentle feedback from you lads and a little, probably less gentle from one aristocratic lass .

    Time control was 35 moves in 75 minutes, then +15 minutes sudden death.

    You should probably invert the board so my comments make more sense.

    There will be lots of edits as I add comments, checking that they dont mess up the PGN. I've added my comments up to move 22, I'll add the rest after watching some telly, this PGN thing is such a pain in the arse it's giving me a headache!

  2. 06 Oct '12 13:22
    aha Dewy, so you are a Kings Indian player, i knowd it!
  3. 06 Oct '12 16:58 / 2 edits
    Hmmmmm seems that it won't let me go to football,come back and still edit. So here are the rest of my comments.

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  4. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    06 Oct '12 22:07
    Originally posted by Dewi Jones
    Hmmmmm seems that it won't let me go to football,come back and still edit. So here are the rest of my comments.

    [pgn][Event "Holywell Club Championship"] [Site "The Rock Inn, Lloc"] [Date "10/9/12"] [White "Barrie Hird (1538)"] [Black "Dewi Jones(UG)"] [Result "0-1"] [Position White "Ke1,Qd1,Ra1,Rh1,Bc1,Bf1,Nb1,Ng1,a2,b2,c2,d2,e2,f2,g2,h2"] [Position B ...[text shortened]... given me a chance to draw} h6 {??} 38. Ng3 0-1[/pgn]
    [/b]
    I can't disagree with any of your play and comments up until move 10...Bd7. I don't see why you wanted your bishop there to begin with rather than on e6 where it controls more space. The bishop on d7 blocks your queen which prevents white from moving his c-pawn because of the x-ray attack on d3. It turns out that he did not attack your pawn center with 11.c3 anyway, as he should have.

    On move 14...a6 your failure to continue your queenside attack with 14...a5 gives white a chance to defend his a1 rook with 15.Bb2 which also prepares for an attack on your pawn center with c3. But again he blows that chance with 15.Ng1.

    White's 16.Nf1 seems ridiculous. I have no idea what he is planning. 16.Nb3 is much better.

    White should have attacked your center pawns with 29.f4! But as it turned out he did not need to. Better luck on your next game. It is so much easier to see the best move when you are relaxed and not under the clock.
  5. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    07 Oct '12 02:30 / 1 edit
    It's a real shame you lost this game, the opening is perhaps a little questionable in places but the position after 17..c5 looks excellent for black, you're pieces are far more active and you've got a solid space advantage. After white played 18.Qc1 i think i'd have tried 18..cxb4. White cannot recapture with the Bishop because of ..a5 (and your knight gains a massive square on c5). Opening the C-file exposes the backward pawn on c2 to attack from your heavy pieces along the c-file. There is also the possibility to advance the a/b pawns to cement this weakness. In the game white equalised by exchanging down the open c-file, taking the opportunity to semi open the c-file in your favour seems like a pretty strong strategic idea for black imo. Shame about that last move though, there's no way i can see white winning without that blunder. :'(
  6. 07 Oct '12 17:57 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by Marinkatomb
    It's a real shame you lost this game, the opening is perhaps a little questionable in places but the position after 17..c5 looks excellent for black, you're pieces are far more active and you've got a solid space advantage. After white played 18.Qc1 i think i'd have tried 18..cxb4. White cannot recapture with the Bishop because of ..a5 (and your knight g ...[text shortened]... ut that last move though, there's no way i can see white winning without that blunder. :'(
    Thank you, that's a shame, Looks like I missed a chance to beat the favourite in our group. Still, I've won my two club champs games since this one, so I'm on 2/3 with one game to go. And one of the lads I beat, has just beaten an ECF130 player in the league. So, If I win my final game, then there is still hope I can make the final!

    Current Positions
    Me 2/3 (1300)
    Barrie Hird 1/1 (1538)
    Frank Jones 0/1 (1150)
    Richard Drew 0/1 (1463)
    Terry Scott 0/0 (1530)
  7. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    07 Oct '12 19:45 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Dewi Jones
    Thank you, that's a shame, Looks like I missed a chance to beat the favourite in our group. Still, I've won my two club champs games since this one, so I'm on 2/3 with one game to go. And one of the lads I beat, has just beaten an ECF130 player in the league. So, If I win my final game, then there is still hope I can make the final!

    Current Positions ...[text shortened]... rie Hird 1/1 (1538)
    Frank Jones 0/1 (1150)
    Richard Drew 0/1 (1463)
    Terry Scott 0/0 (1530)
    You know, on your move 19, you could have pulled the bishop back to h8 to stop the trade, one of the advantages of R-E8. Later with the bishop covering that diagonal you could have used it for pressure.
  8. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    07 Oct '12 20:13
    Originally posted by Dewi Jones
    Thank you, that's a shame, Looks like I missed a chance to beat the favourite in our group. Still, I've won my two club champs games since this one, so I'm on 2/3 with one game to go. And one of the lads I beat, has just beaten an ECF130 player in the league. So, If I win my final game, then there is still hope I can make the final!

    Current Positions ...[text shortened]... rie Hird 1/1 (1538)
    Frank Jones 0/1 (1150)
    Richard Drew 0/1 (1463)
    Terry Scott 0/0 (1530)
    I think the move needs closer inspection to decide if it's really the best, i only made a cursory look through the game, but undoubtedly you're better at that point. The ending you reached is very difficult to evaluate. I think looking for an opportunity to play ..f5 is important, the d3 pawn is holding whites position in tact, trying to find exchanges that remove or move that pawn give you great winning chances. Your knight walk to c1 strikes me as slightly counter productive, if you scroll back to move 28 it's arguably your bast placed piece. Why not try 28..f5 with the idea of exchanging on e4 at some point? White would have to be very brave to capture as your pawns are suddenly mobile. Bring the knight from d7 to f6, it all looks very tricky for white to defend.
  9. 08 Oct '12 00:21 / 1 edit
    The end of course made chuckle.



    (here I go again, is it a Helpmate or a bloody Selfmate?

    (do what you always do GP made up a term......Duck)

    Cheers pal. It's a Hari-Kari Mate.

    Of course loads of analysis and suggestion not one diagram or pgn to be seen.

    Position after Black's 8th move 8...d4


    What you have there is a Pirc reversed.
    (Put the the Black c-pawn on c5 and it's a reversed KID.)



    Quite a few games on RHP and OTB have gone on from here.
    We look at an RHP game. It features standard ideas in this formation and
    of course the typical blunders and missed chances we see at our level.

    I'm looking at from Black's side the reversed side of the actual game.
    These are the sort of ideas White should have been coming up with.
    Light notes based around the major decisions.

    f1list - Ed Bernheim RHP 2009

  10. 08 Oct '12 00:21
    Originally posted by Dewi Jones
    Hmmmmm seems that it won't let me go to football,come back and still edit. So here are the rest of my comments.

    [pgn][Event "Holywell Club Championship"] [Site "The Rock Inn, Lloc"] [Date "10/9/12"] [White "Barrie Hird (1538)"] [Black "Dewi Jones(UG)"] [Result "0-1"] [Position White "Ke1,Qd1,Ra1,Rh1,Bc1,Bf1,Nb1,Ng1,a2,b2,c2,d2,e2,f2,g2,h2"] [Position B ...[text shortened]... given me a chance to draw} h6 {??} 38. Ng3 0-1[/pgn]
    [/b]
    Dewi, I quickly played through your game. My general impression is that
    your opponent played aimlessly in the opening and middlegame and you
    played better (with some inaccuracies expected at an ordinary club level),
    well enough to have a good chance of winning the endgame. Your notes
    suggest to me that you understand chess at about an average club level
    and you have a good sense of self-criticism.

    With regard to a few of your questions:
    Your 8...d4, closing the centre, was a well-motivated move since it prevented
    White from playing exd5, opening the e-file to put pressure on your e-pawn.
    Your suggested alternative of 8...b6 looks quite unnatural to me.

    After your hypothetical 37...Kh6, you asked if you could have drawn the game.
    Your bishop on c8 seems bad, and your knight on b1 seems out-of-play.
    Here's some very quick analysis (at my blitz level), not checked by an engine:

    37...Kh6 38 Nc5 (dominating the Bc8) Kg7 39 Nd4 Kf7 (White's not threatening
    to capture on e6 yet due to the potential pin of the Bc8 against the Kh3)
    40 Kg4 h6 (to stop Kg5 penetrating) 41 h5 (to help the king penetrate) gxh5
    42 Kxh5 and Black seems losing. Please note that White's knights seem
    much stronger than Black's bishop on c8 and (out-of-play) knight on b1.
    Unless you (or an engine) can find a tactical resource that was not evident
    to me at first sight, I think (intuitively) that Black then has a losing position.
  11. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    08 Oct '12 00:55
    Originally posted by Dewi Jones
    Thank you, that's a shame, Looks like I missed a chance to beat the favourite in our group. Still, I've won my two club champs games since this one, so I'm on 2/3 with one game to go. And one of the lads I beat, has just beaten an ECF130 player in the league. So, If I win my final game, then there is still hope I can make the final!

    Current Positions ...[text shortened]... rie Hird 1/1 (1538)
    Frank Jones 0/1 (1150)
    Richard Drew 0/1 (1463)
    Terry Scott 0/0 (1530)
    If you can remember the analysis here, you will be better prepared when you find yourself in that opening again. That could mean a win next time.
  12. 08 Oct '12 09:31 / 1 edit
    When playing the King's Indian I think it's better to try to keep the tension in the position by avoiding initiating pawn exchanges. I really liked Black's position up to move 17, but was less keen on 18. ... cxd3 and the subsequent exchanges. I like to build up pressure so that White is eventually goaded into yielding control of key squares by swapping off his well placed but attacked pawns. If Black can recapture with a pawn then hopefully he will have more control over the 4th and 5th ranks.

    You seemed very worried about White's Bh6. Since your rook wasn't on f8, you could have considered playing Bh8. White's bishop is just left looking silly then. Personally I don't worry unduly about that sort of maneuver. Be sure not to play Bxh6 as this will allow White's queen to infiltrate, but otherwise if he plays Bxg7 and you recapture with your king, the h6 square is covered and it will take him a while to generate an attack.
  13. 09 Oct '12 19:49 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    ...
    After your hypothetical 37...Kh6, you asked if you could have drawn the game.
    Your bishop on c8 seems bad, and your knight on b1 seems out-of-play.
    Here's some very quick analysis (at my blitz level), not checked by an engine:

    37...Kh6 38 Nc5 (dominating the Bc8) Kg7 39 Nd4 Kf7 (White's not threatening
    to capture on e6 yet due to the potential p evident
    to me at first sight, I think (intuitively) that Black then has a losing position.
    I did some deeper analysis of the hypothetical position after 37...Kh6,
    when Dewi Jones (Black) had asked whether he could have drawn the game.
    I have concluded that White should be able to win.

    I have not used a chess engine to check any of my analysis, and, for lack of
    space, I have not given every variation that I considered. I have given only
    some variations that I regard as significant or characteristic (usually ignoring
    transpositions), leaving the rest to the readers to draw analogous conclusions.
    (I am writing this note from memory, without sight of a chessboard except
    in my mind, so please forgive any apparent typos.)

    (Without using an engine, I find it hard to sight-read FEN.)
    White: Kh3 Nb3 Ne2 pawns b4 d3 e5 f4 h4
    Black: Kh6 Nb1 Bc8 pawns a6 b5 e6 g6 h7

    38 Nc5 (dominating the Bc8) Kg7 39 Kg4 (more accurate than 39 Nd4 h5)
    and now Black can choose between 39...h6 or 39...h5+.
    If 39...h6 40 h5 Na3 41 Nd4 Kf7 42 hxg6+ wins or 40..gxh5 41 Kxh5 Kh7
    42 Nd4 Nc3 43 Ndxe6 Bxe6 44 Nxe6 Nd5 45 f5 Nxb4 46 f6 wins

    So let's try 39...h5+ when Black goes for a fortress but he's nearly in Zugzwang.
    40 Kg5 Na3 41 Nd4 Kf7 42 Nc6 and White threatens Na7 & Nxc8 winning Black's
    bishop so 42...Ke8 43 Kxg6 and wins

    If White's in the mood for an unnecessary 'brilliant' sacrifice, White could play
    42 Ncxe6 Bxe6 43 Nxe6 Kxe6 44 Kxg6 which also wins. Here Black can play
    1) 44...Ke7 or 2) 44...a5 and go for a pawn promotion race:
    If 1) 44...Ke7 45 f5 Kf8 46 e6 a5 47 f6 axb4 48 e7+ Ke8 49 Kg7 b3 50 f7+ Ke7
    51 f8=Q+ and Qxa3 wins
    If 2) 44...a5 45 f5+ and Black can choose A) 45...Kxe5 B) 45...Kd5 or C) 45...Kd7
    2A) 45...Kxe5 46 f6 axb4 47 f7 b3 48 f8=Q b2 49 Qf6+ and Qxb2 wins
    2B) 45...Kd5 46 f6 axb4 47 f7 b3 48 f8=Q b2 49 Qd6# mate
    2C) 45...Kd7 46 f6 axb4 47 f7 b3 48 f8=Q b2 49 Qd6+ Kc8 50 e6 b1=Q
    51 Qd7+ Kb8 52 e7 Qg1+ 53 Kh7 wins because Black has no perpetual check

    Please note that White sacrificing a knight on e6 does not work if Black's knight
    was on b1, as would occur after 40 Kg5 Kf7 41 Kh6 (not 41 Nd4? Nc3) Na3
    42 Nd4 Nb1. Now 43 Ndxe6?? Bxe6 44 Nxe6 Kxe6 45 Kxg6 Nc3 46 f5+ Kxe5
    47 f6 Nd5 48 f7 Nf4+ 49 Kg7 Ne6+ stops White's safely playing f8=Q.
    So, in this line, White should play 43 Nc6 (as explained earlier) and win.

    In practical terms, of course, I don't know how much of this analysis would
    have been evident to the players OTB. I think that I would have analyzed
    in this way, however, in an OTB game if I were not in Zeitnot.
  14. 15 Oct '12 13:29 / 1 edit
    Thank you all for the great help with analysing that game. I will be running over it with my opponent next week. I've definately improved as a player in the three months or so that I've been a member of RHP, and that's thanks to those of you who've helped me in threads and in friendly games. When I last played chess about 8 years ago, I had an account on here and got to about 1450 as a rating. I'm way above that at the moment, and I hope to make a real life rating of about 1450 this season.

    Anyway, here is my third club championship game. A victory

    Edit : I am Black, my oponent was graded 1479, and I have a 1300 provisional grade.

  15. 16 Oct '12 08:59
    Originally posted by Dewi Jones
    Thank you all for the great help with analysing that game. I will be running over it with my opponent next week. I've definately improved as a player in the three months or so that I've been a member of RHP, and that's thanks to those of you who've helped me in threads and in friendly games. When I last played chess about 8 years ago, I had an account on ...[text shortened]... g6 36. g4 Be6 37. Ke4 Ra4+ 38. Rd4 Rxd4+ 39. Kxd4 Kd6 {White resigned} 0-1[/pgn]
    Well done. The great thing about the scando is that you see in about 2 moves whether your opponent knows how to play Chess or not.

    My last otb scando against a 1800 player went 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.c4? Qd8 4.d3?? (which I won)