A Gambit against the Caro-Kann Defence

Does anyone know of any? I mean apart from the BDG which seems pretty limp against the CK "Super-fortress"

Originally posted by Sicilian Smaug
What is the BDG?

Blackmar-Diemer Gambit

Typical way to reach it is
1.d4 d5
2.e4 dxe4
3.Nc3 Nf6
4.f3 exf3

In the Caro-Kann,

1.e4 c6
2.d4 d5
3.Nc3 dxe4
4.f3 exf3

The problem is that the pawns on e6 and c6 are the main rememdy to this gambit and many people adopt a Caro-Kann setup against the Blackmar-Diemer.

Some other details - I play the Evans Gambit, Morra Gambit, Two Knights Defence and anything classical and risky really.

Against 1.d4 I'll play a Queen's Gambit Accepted or the King's Indian Defence depending on my mood and what result I plan on playing for.

Originally posted by Positional Player
Blackmar-Diemer Gambit

Typical way to reach it is
1.d4 d5
2.e4 dxe4
3.Nc3 Nf6
4.f3 exf3

In the Caro-Kann,

1.e4 c6
2.d4 d5
3.Nc3 dxe4
4.f3 exf3

The problem is that the pawns on e6 and c6 are the main rememdy to this gambit and many people adopt a Caro-Kann setup against the Blackmar-Diemer.

Some other details - I play the Evan ...[text shortened]... pted or the King's Indian Defence depending on my mood and what result I plan on playing for.

I found two under B15 of the ECO classification system:

1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 dxe4 4 f3 - Rasa-Studier Gambit

1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 dxe4 4 Nxe4 Nf6 5 Bd3 - Alekhine Gambit

Originally posted by no1marauder
I found two under B15 of the ECO classification system:

1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 dxe4 4 f3 - Rasa-Studier Gambit

1 e4 c6 2 d4 d5 3 Nc3 dxe4 4 Nxe4 Nf6 5 Bd3 - Alekhine Gambit

Thanks that's quite helpful actually. The only problem with the first one is it is more than likely to lead to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit which is dashed against the rocks of the pawns on c6 and e6. 🙁

The second one does look promising though. I remember looking at it once in very little detail. I like the idea of tempting out the Black queen to be attacked. I'll do a bit of research.

Cheers!

Originally posted by Positional Player
Thanks that's quite helpful actually. The only problem with the first one is it is more than likely to lead to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit which is dashed against the rocks of the pawns on c6 and e6. 🙁

The second one does look promising though. I remember looking at it once in very little detail. I like the idea of tempting out the Black queen to be attacked. I'll do a bit of research.

Cheers!

Sorry about that; I didn't look at your original post carefully enough. The Rasa-Studier sequence was already given by you, though under the BDG title (though ECO does not classify it as such).

A very interesting one is the Ulysses Gambit: 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nf3!? After 3...dxe4 4.Ng5,Black can't keep the pawn,and if he's smart he won't try.

Originally posted by sundown316
A very interesting one is the Ulysses Gambit: 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nf3!? After 3...dxe4 4.Ng5,Black can't keep the pawn,and if he's smart he won't try.

Really? I haven't heard of it, and the move 3.Nf3 is not in my database at all!

How does the main line go?

Originally posted by Positional Player
Really? I haven't heard of it, and the move 3.Nf3 is not in my database at all!

How does the main line go?

I found 22 games on the Chessbase database with the suggested sequence of moves. If Black plays 4 .... Nf6 White scores 2W, 11L, 2D; if Black plays 4 ...... Bf5, White wins 1 and loses 6. Obviously, it has not scored very well, but for novelty value it might be worth a shot in OTB. If I know my Caro players, most won't take the pawn.

Or 1 d4 d5 2. e4 c6 (boo) 3 Nc3 dxe4 4 Bc4!? (hurrah!)
One example of which is was Alexander Golembek 1946

Originally posted by no1marauder
I found 22 games on the Chessbase database with the suggested sequence of moves. If Black plays 4 .... Nf6 White scores 2W, 11L, 2D; if Black plays 4 ...... Bf5, White wins 1 and loses 6. Obviously, it has not scored very well, but for novelty value it might be worth a shot in OTB. If I know my Caro players, most won't take the pawn.

I'll give it a fling in some blitz games and see how they go.

I've faced it 5 times as Black,with a score of +3-1=1. I don't think it's quite sound for White,but it is a refreshing change of pace from worn-out trail horses like the Advance 3.e5(total rubbish for White),the Exchange or Panov-Botvinnik,and the various 3.Nc3 lines. I'm a firm believer in Tartakover's dictum:"If it's dubious,it's playable".