Although cmsmaster and i have a little rivalry going on i have to agree with him about how your opening was weak. to become a stronger player you should start to read an openings book and you will understand the game better. you could easily be a 1500 player with the tactics you know but if you picked a solid opening you could get there easily. yes your opponent played very weak i'm surpised he was 1400. if you dont believe me about my critisizm on your opening just ask me for a game and save one for when you want to play me.
k-mac27
Originally posted by 7ate9book openings are used because they work...
I don't play book openings
though there's nothing wrong with playing uncommon openings, there is a problem with playing weak moves.
you play 1. b6 to prepare the fiachetto Bb7, then block off the long diagonal with 2. ...c6?
But to answer the thread, a protected knight on the 6th can be devastating.
A Knight onthe 3rd or 6th rank is it's optimum perch (either colour). It allows for great attack and defense (depending on which side you're playing). It helped deliver mate here.
In response to the opening, 1 b3 with the intent of 2 Bb2 is a fine way to continue. I've never seen 1 b3 2 c3 before. Maybe you found a good line to it, but it's most definitely unusual.
Originally posted by kmac27Am I missing something here? I think it was whites opening (like 2.f3?! what the...) which was weak, whereas blacks opening set-up looks pretty solid. maybe not the best, but very playable in club level and below.
Although cmsmaster and i have a little rivalry going on i have to agree with him about how your opening was weak. to become a stronger player you should start to read an openings book and you will understand the game better. you could easily be a 1500 player with the tactics you know but if you picked a solid opening you could get there easily. yes your oppon izm on your opening just ask me for a game and save one for when you want to play me.
k-mac27
Not this game again. You have 2 threads on the same game.
What is so great about it? The game is dire!
Stop wasting everyones time. Learn a decent opening and play some better opponents. You will never beat anyone of merit with this sort of play.
Sorry to be so negative but a lot of people have tried to help you and you shout them all down convinced you have something brilliant here. This game was won by black because of whites poor play not because of any black brilliancy! Sorry but that is fact!
Originally posted by 7ate9I am confused! Do you think c6 is bad or good! You keep contradicting yourself. If you accept it is bad why are you trying to tell us otherwise?
I started the other thread BECAUSE of people's negativity and false need to hijack the thread away from what it was about. That way we could discuss how bad C6 was in the other thread, and this could be used for the intentions it was meant for....
Now I have two threads like my opening. Isn't life great, and full of so many puns! On day people may get so c ey'll give you a brand new car!
Don't fell obligated to take part in my thread DF, huh?
Edit: If this thread is actually trying to say the N is good on e3 then of course it is good there but it got there through your opponents inordinately bad play, but a N on c3,d3,e3 or f3 supported by a pawn, that cannot be attacked by a pawn, is always going to be strategically strong and with good play turned into a winning tactical combination.
I am not a strong player, but even with my limited experience, would have to agree that 2. ..c6 was a poor move (it stops your knight from moving to there, which is a strong outpost for the knight), but it was also following a very poor move by white (2. f3) which also limited white's knight, hence white moving the knight twice in the opening. This lead to your lead in development, and also lead to you exploiting white's exposed king side.
If white made move 2. Nf3 instead and you carried on with 2. ..c6, and white's subsequent gain in material (taking of the rook) would have caused white to have had a very strong positional and material advantage.
Originally posted by lauseyYou are absolutely correct to say that a move that is inherently poor strategically may suddenly seem well placed because of subsequent bad play but that does not make the move good. Both c3 (in conjunction with b3) and f3 are poor in that in the circumstances of this game neither show any strategic merit. I would not play either.
I am not a strong player, but even with my limited experience, would have to agree that 2. ..c6 was a poor move (it stops your knight from moving to there, which is a strong outpost for the knight), but it was also following a very poor move by white (2. f3) which also limited white's knight, hence white moving the knight twice in the opening. This lead to yo ...[text shortened]... he rook) would have caused white to have had a very strong positional and material advantage.
Originally posted by Dragon FireI think the point is that he wouldnt have played 2...c6 but instead logical 2...Bb7 after something like 2.Nf3, 2.d4, 2.g3 etc. Yet after white made an unexpected and weak move, 2.f3, he correctly decided to change his plan. Majority of sub-1500 players arent capable of doing that. The move itself, 2...c6, isnt the strongest one but it definitely does make sense.
You are absolutely correct to say that a move that is inherently poor strategically may suddenly seem well placed because of subsequent bad play but that does not make the move good. Both c3 (in conjunction with b3) and f3 are poor in that in the circumstances of this game neither show any strategic merit. I would not play either.
And 2...c6 shows strategic merit; it prepares d5.