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  1. 11 May '13 00:24 / 2 edits
    I've been trying this line out against the computer and have won once already.

    Its so simple and gives black an awful posistion;



    I know it looks dumb, but... black can't take e4 I don't think, it actualy seems ok and its quite easy for white to build an attack. The computer lost to a slightly different line;



    I've looked it up as the Reti opening, is sacrificing the knight ever part of this?
  2. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    11 May '13 00:40
    Originally posted by e4chris
    I've been trying this line out against the computer and have won once already.

    Its so simple and gives black an awful posistion;

    [pgn]1.Nf3 Nf6 2.Ng5 e5 3.Nxf7 Kxf7 4.e4 c6[/pgn]

    I know it looks dumb, but... black can't take e4 I don't think, it actualy seems ok and its quite easy for white to build an attack. The computer lost to a slightly diffe ...[text shortened]... /pgn]

    I've looked it up as the Reti opening, is sacrificing the knight ever part of this?
    This sac is no good. How is white supposed to attack when he has no pieces in play?
  3. 11 May '13 00:55 / 2 edits
    oh ye of little faith... I will post the game next time computer looses!

    - just playing for the scholars mate causes trouble, and white can 0-0 and blacks king is in the firing line...
  4. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    11 May '13 01:07
    Originally posted by e4chris
    oh ye of little faith... I will post the game next time computer looses!

    - just playing for the scholars mate causes trouble, and white can 0-0 and blacks king is in the firing line...
    What if he moves the K off the f-file? Then it's no longer on the firing line.

    How about a game vs. me with this line? You get white, of course.
  5. 11 May '13 01:12
    Sure!
  6. 11 May '13 02:13 / 1 edit
    I can see moves like this working against a weak computer program
    because they will take everything on offer and the idea of saccing back
    material is not in their make up.

    Against humans?

    I looked through the RHP DB for this position.


    A knight sac on f7 with nothing else developed.
    I narrowed it down to three moves in case White played Nc3
    so I'm looking for Nf3 - Ne5/g5 - Nf7

    I found these three White wins all under 12 moves.

    Game 8351361
    Game 8387282
    Game 8054183

    Is anybody going to pass these games onto Carlsen to use as a surprise
    weapon v Anand.
  7. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    11 May '13 02:30
    Game 10012433

    It's a game in progress...so please, no comments until it finishes!
  8. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    11 May '13 05:40
    Please don't call it a Reti Opening.
  9. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    11 May '13 05:42
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Please don't call it a Reti Opening.
    Awww, you weren't supposed to tell him. I was going to see if he found it out on his own.
  10. 11 May '13 15:07 / 1 edit
    And why not call it a Reti? White played Nf3 the move that
    is the Reti trademark.

    And Reti played Nf3 and Nxf7......once....and it was kind of delayed.

    Witness this very interesting game involving an opening you would
    not normally associate with these two great players.

    Richard Reti - Akiba Rubinstein Germany 1922.

    This is actually a very interesting game with quite a lot going on
    behind the scenes. I've pointed a few Reti tricks but there is much
    more in this game than that.

  11. 12 May '13 06:02
    Thats a cool game, not sure whats going on around move 18 - 19

    The computer lost to this on a high level - it plays at bcf 180 and had 30 sec per move and thinking in my time - was not on easy - and it still lost quite fast. But like you say greenpawn it did make some silly mistakes, tried to attack my king rather then defend the posistion... I will post a game soon, once the one against swissgambit is over.
  12. 16 May '13 12:26 / 2 edits
    Here is another early sac I'm trying in the Evans Gambit - it 'looks' good but the saitek defends meticulously against it;



    And the atrocious Jerome Gambit is actualy an ok anti computer line;

    the last move ke6 is what puts the computers in trouble.

    One of the greatest games ever played by Blackburne had this line
    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1029000
  13. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    20 May '13 22:26
    Well that was an epic FAIL.

    Maybe another truth-seeker will step to refute it.
  14. 20 May '13 22:36 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    Well that was an epic FAIL.

    Maybe another truth-seeker will step to refute it.
    Good game! Good game! thanks!

    see its not so easy, my computer is not crap, so if it looses...

    I think with hindsite I should have played 2 Ne5 to stop you playing e5. And Nc3 gave you free development. Good game though, thanks!!
  15. 20 May '13 22:40 / 1 edit
    Here is the game, where is someone with houdini ?



    move 15 was quite decisive but not sure if black could of stopped it.