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Anand vs Carlsen - Game 6

Standard memberFat Lady
Only Chess 16 Nov '13 14:47
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    Standard memberwoodypusher
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    16 Nov '13 17:54
    Originally posted by Kareemelbadry
    It was pretty funny listening to a flummoxed Susan Polgar and Alejandro Ramirez muddling over Carlsen's decision to drop the c pawn with Kf4. It took them at least five minutes to figure out what Carlsen was after, by which point he was probably already in a won position.

    I do wonder what inspired Anand to drop the pawn with 38.Qg3. Surely if he had kept the queens on, even Carlsen wouldn't have been able to make progress?
    Carlsen is so good in endgames that his opponents have resigned a K+N+N ending against their lone K.
  2. Subscribergreenpawn34
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    16 Nov '13 20:041 edit
    Originally posted by Kareemelbadry
    It was pretty funny listening to a flummoxed Susan Polgar and Alejandro Ramirez muddling over Carlsen's decision to drop the c pawn with Kf4.
    To be fair these two were not soley concentrating on the game and
    what is more important they had no engine which is very refeshing.

    They were also correct that it was drawn and they looked at positions
    were no mistakes are going to be made.
    Magnus sought a position where tiny mistakes are plausiible.
    He went for a position that hides a snake in the grass.
    Anand stood on it.

    I like how Judit keeps dumbing down the analysis, if a mate or trick
    is suggested then she shows it.
  3. FR
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    16 Nov '13 20:18
    I guess we now have two bits of useful advise:

    1) Never get involved in a land war in Asia.
    2) Never find yourself in a pawn and rook endgame with Magnus Carlsen.
  4. Subscribergreenpawn34
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    16 Nov '13 21:03
    "Never find yourself in a pawn and rook endgame with Magnus Carlsen."

    I agree, but who knows?

    Maybe the Anand camp thought that if they take Carlsen on in the area he is
    the strongest and hold him, then it may undermine his confidence.
    The trouble was their man stumbled over hurdles Magnus set him.

    So plan 2.
    No more endings. Go for a win or bust attack. Anand certainly has the skill.
    He has some wonderful attacking games on his CV.

    Plan3.
    Head for another Rook ending, Carlsen won't be expecting that!
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    16 Nov '13 21:421 edit
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    if a mate or trick is suggested then she shows it.
    I think Susan Polgar is doing a great job, but where'd they get that Trent fella from? He does my head in!
  6. Donationketchuplover
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    16 Nov '13 21:58
    I advise a double exchange sac for Anand
  7. FL
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    16 Nov '13 22:01
    Originally posted by SMesq
    I think Susan Polgar is doing a great job, but where'd they get that Trent fella from? He does my head in!
    Horses for course I guess. I can't stand Susan Polgar <spits to remove taste of her name from my mouth>, but really like Lawrence. He doesn't billshut at all, if he doesn't understand whats going on he will say so!
  8. rc
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    16 Nov '13 22:021 edit
    Originally posted by SMesq
    I think Susan Polgar is doing a great job, but where'd they get that Trent fella from? He does my head in!
    yes, hes a zombie 4sure, Daniel King is the best and so is Nigel
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    16 Nov '13 22:151 edit
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    "Never find yourself in a pawn and rook endgame with Magnus Carlsen."

    I agree, but who knows?

    Maybe the Anand camp thought that if they take Carlsen on in the area he is
    the strongest and hold him, then it may undermine his confidence.
    The trouble was their man stumbled over hurdles Magnus set him.

    So plan 2.
    No more endings. Go for a win or ...[text shortened]... cking games on his CV.

    Plan3.
    Head for another Rook ending, Carlsen won't be expecting that!
    Time to bust out the Scotch.No more Berlin walls.
  10. h
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    16 Nov '13 23:08
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    Time to bust out the Scotch.No more Berlin walls.
    It will be very interesting what opening Anand chooses in the next game.

    Clearly he has to go for something other than the Spanish.

    The Scotch is a good call. But since he needs to get all tactical on MC's ass, is a Kings Gambit a possibility?
  11. H
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    16 Nov '13 23:10
    I want a Bucharest! !
  12. FL
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    16 Nov '13 23:16
    Originally posted by hedonist
    It will be very interesting what opening Anand chooses in the next game.

    Clearly he has to go for something other than the Spanish.

    The Scotch is a good call. But since he needs to get all tactical on MC's ass, is a Kings Gambit a possibility?
    I have never seen Anand play anything except the Ruy Lopez against 1. ... e5. It's probably not the best idea in the world to suddenly start playing a completely new opening with different ideas and patterns. I remember watching Korchnoi commentate the Short vs McShane game where Short tried the Kings Gambit (and lost) - Korchnoi was scathing about how foolish Short was to try to become a Kings Gambit player without hundreds of practice games first.
  13. h
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    16 Nov '13 23:27
    Originally posted by Fat Lady
    I have never seen Anand play anything except the Ruy Lopez against 1. ... e5. It's probably not the best idea in the world to suddenly start playing a completely new opening with different ideas and patterns. I remember watching Korchnoi commentate the Short vs McShane game where Short tried the Kings Gambit (and lost) - Korchnoi was scathing about how foolish Short was to try to become a Kings Gambit player without hundreds of practice games first.
    I get your point but I think anything is preferable for Anand than another Berlin in this match situation.

    Regarding Short playing the KG. He did play it 3 times in one super tournament a few years ago, getting 2/3 if I remember correctly.
  14. FL
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    16 Nov '13 23:36
    Originally posted by hedonist
    Regarding Short playing the KG. He did play it 3 times in one super tournament a few years ago, getting 2/3 if I remember correctly.
    You must mean this one:
    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=80009

    Fair enough, so he did have some King's Gambit experience before he tried it out against Luke McShane:
    Invert BoardPGNHeaders
  15. H
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    17 Nov '13 00:19
    I seem to recall similar comments when Short beat Karpov in the candidate match.

    Last game Karpov needed to win with black and think he tried a surprise with a Sicilian.
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