1. gumtree
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    10 Mar '11 23:28
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Thats want I want to play Re1 but those !! are putting me off.

    It looks too slow. You are trying to trick me into losing.

    If there is a super combo staring at me then I'll be furious.

    I'm living an OTB moment here.

    "Does Re1 work?.....I have a perpetual...."

    "Does Re1 work?.....I have a perpetual...."

    "Does Re1 work?.....I have a perpe ...[text shortened]... With no perpetual I'd play Re1 but with
    the perpetual sitting there. I would take it.
    There's no instant mate but white gets his material back with interest and the black king is left feeling very exposed.
  2. Standard memberatticus2
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    10 Mar '11 23:35
    So if 15...h6 is refuted, what of the plausible 15...Rfe8 or even 15...Rfd8?
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    10 Mar '11 23:39
    Originally posted by atticus2
    So if 15...h6 is refuted, what of the plausible 15...Rfe8 or even 15...Rfd8?
    ...I have nothing more to add.
  4. e4
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    10 Mar '11 23:461 edit
    Originally posted by Diophantus
    There's no instant mate but white gets his material back with interest and the black king is left feeling very exposed.
    Good.

    Thought I missing some 'staring me in the face combination.'

    So OTB you and PR are still at the board, and how much time on
    the clock have you left after working out Bxh6 may work.

    Me I'm in the pub with my ½ point looking forward to my next game.
  5. Standard memberatticus2
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    10 Mar '11 23:53
    Originally posted by PAWN RIOT
    ...I have nothing more to add.
    But if Re5 was, as you claim, 'far-sighted' rather than simply a sound reply to ...Qa5 with good opportunities, then surely you'd anticipated defensive lines such as ....h6, ....Rfe8 etc and have views on how each might be addressed. Candidate 15...h6 has been successfully eliminated. Now we need to consider Candidate 15...Rfe8. That's how post-game analysis works. Otherwise we may as well dispense with analysis altogether and simply accept the victor's narrative.
  6. gumtree
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    11 Mar '11 00:01
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Good.

    Thought I missing some 'staring me in the face combination.'

    So OTB you and PR are still at the board, and how much time on
    the clock have you left after working out Bxh6 may work.

    Me I'm in the pub with my ½ point looking forward to my next game.
    Ah, that's where it all falls apart. I don't do OTB anymore, not since 1983ish when I started mucking about drilling holes in sea floor and ice cap. So, I'm sat at home looking at the move that PR has just sent me. 15. Bg5. OK, I'll set that up on the board, have a glass of something interesting and mull it over. My first instinct would likely be to play h6 but I never play the first thing that comes into my head. I'll let it stew for a day or two first. Likely I'll notice that I can evade instant death by shifting the rook. I'll spend another day making sure that death isn't going to sneak up another way, send the move and have another glass.

    Back in OTB days PR's reputation (and grade) would have preceded him and I'd be sat there doing my best impression of a rabbit caught in the headlights of an oncoming juggernaut. 15. ... h6 and resign a few moves later. Now I can join you at the bar to drown my sorrows.
  7. SubscriberPaul Leggett
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    11 Mar '11 00:20
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Strewth even our New No1. cannot post a game without help.
    Come back Weyerstrass all is forgiven. 😉

    Hi Robbie:

    "in fact the absence of the e pawn and pawns on b2, c3 and d4
    is practically a Colle for all intents and purposes."

    [fen]r1bqkbnr/ppp2ppp/2n5/3p4/3P4/2PB4/PP3PPP/RNBQK1NR b KQkq - 0 5[/fen]
    Is from the exchange French which was bei ...[text shortened]... t I'm bowing out now. It looks like the big boys are going to fight.

    (PS: Well done PR.)
    This was my point, but stated better than me. Often openings are simply two players using move orders to jockey for a certain position while denying other positions to their opponent.

    It is a problematic critique of Gary Lane's The Ultimate Colle that it is filled with games which were really Frenches or Ruys where he monkeyed with the move order. He apparently found more thematic positions by transposition, which implies that the Colle move order is not the most popular or perhaps easiest (or most effective) move order to get there.

    I believe one of the "takeaways" we can get from PAWN RIOT's game is that he knew how to get to a favorable middle game, and once he got there, he had a plan and executed it very well.

    Even better, he shared the game and his thoughts, and every player on the site who looks at it will be a little better.

    I think one of the great parts of the social aspect of chess is that it is not a zero-sum game in terms of knowledge-- if one player learns and gets better, they tend to make others better when they interact and play. The improvements of others in turn improves ourselves.
  8. e4
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    11 Mar '11 00:391 edit
    " Now I can join you at the bar to drown my sorrows...."

    and I would have been poking fun at you for playing a Caro Khan.
    Me I would have gone down fighting with a Latvian.

    Enjoyed that wee bit of analysis. Have to get some more games going.

    Horrible moment that OTB.
    You have sacced and have a perp.

    Do you take it or do you follow your gut. It's difficult.
    I've turned down perpetuals and lost.
    I've turned down perpetuals and won.
    Chess is like that.

    I remember Mark Condie showing me a forced win had with Nigel Short
    but could not get the perpetual out of his head.
    Before the game Mark would have been happy with draw (he was Black)
    Now he had a win, he knew it was there somewhere but he just had to take
    the perpetual.

    Funnily enough my only good win v Mark was me setting up a sac - sac
    perpetual. Mark missed it and made a move that turned my perp into a win.
    Chess is like that.
  9. Kalispell, MT
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    11 Mar '11 05:241 edit
    Originally posted by PAWN RIOT
    17.Qf4
    Great move.

    I play Nh7. - Ugly but alive.


    Bxh7, Kg7

    ...and off the dark squares you stay. (from my limited vision)

    I believe however the proper defense is actually not h6, but instead 15...Qxb2
    (Once again, from a feeble mind)



    -GIN
  10. gumtree
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    11 Mar '11 09:25
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    " Now I can join you at the bar to drown my sorrows...."

    and I would have been poking fun at you for playing a Caro Khan.
    Me I would have gone down fighting with a Latvian.
    And I would have been agreeing with you. My one and only Caro happened by accident. Back then I was Dragon man. Picked up the c-pawn and plonked it firmly on what I thought was c5. He plays d4. Oh! One of them Smith Morra thingies, now we're in for some fun except the pawn wasn't on c5, I had missed due to being distracted by events elsewhere. I lost.

    Caro Kann my backside. Anything with Kann (or Khan) in the name should involve Mongol hordes sweeping all before them. I have called the Caro Khan the Caro Can't ever since.
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