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  1. 28 Feb '06 23:14
    Hello.
    Anyone know any good ideas with Black against the English Opening?
    1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 f5 doesn't seem to produce many wins as losses perhaps. Does anyone know why this is true. What advantages does Black's e5, f5 really produce? Black's king side already becomes weakened if white plays 3. e4. Is there anything better than:
    1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 f5 3. e4 Nf6 4. exf5 d5 5. Nxd5 Bc4 if black decides
    to play e5, f5?

    If one wants equality, going 1 pawn down isn't equality with
    1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 f5 3. e4 Nf6 4. exf5 d5 5. Nxd5 Bxf5 is it?
  2. 01 Mar '06 00:53
    Originally posted by KingOnPoint
    Hello.
    Anyone know any good ideas with Black against the English Opening?
    1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 f5 doesn't seem to produce many wins as losses perhaps. Does anyone know why this is true. What advantages does Black's e5, f5 really produce? Black's king side already becomes weakened if white plays 3. e4. Is there anything better than:
    1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 f5 3 ...[text shortened]... 1 pawn down isn't equality with
    1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 f5 3. e4 Nf6 4. exf5 d5 5. Nxd5 Bxf5 is it?
    2...f5 isn't a mainstream line so it's reputation must be suspect.
    I use 1..e5, ...Nf6, ...Bb4, ...Bxc3 ...O-O, ...Re8 trying to prepare an early ...e4
    or the four Knights:
    1..e5, ..Nf6, ...Nc6, ...d5 as in this game (in progress)
    Game 1599510
  3. 01 Mar '06 01:28
    Originally posted by Regicidal
    2...f5 isn't a mainstream line so it's reputation must be suspect.
    I use 1..e5, ...Nf6, ...Bb4, ...Bxc3 ...O-O, ...Re8 trying to prepare an early ...e4
    or the four Knights:
    1..e5, ..Nf6, ...Nc6, ...d5 as in this game (in progress)
    Game 1599510
    I don't think f5 produces anything important. I use the same ideas as Regicidal posted.

    As black, 1...e5 Nf6 Nc6 Bb4 Bxc3 0-0 put your pawns on dark squares etc... Nc6 also.

    f5 is a bad move I belive. Get your pieces out and stop moving pawns unless you have to. Your pieces are there to help you, but you have to let them help you. Quote from a book.
  4. 01 Mar '06 15:24
    Originally posted by KingOnPoint
    Hello.
    Anyone know any good ideas with Black against the English Opening?
    1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 f5 doesn't seem to produce many wins as losses perhaps. Does anyone know why this is true. What advantages does Black's e5, f5 really produce? Black's king side already becomes weakened if white plays 3. e4. Is there anything better than:
    1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 f5 3 ...[text shortened]... 1 pawn down isn't equality with
    1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 f5 3. e4 Nf6 4. exf5 d5 5. Nxd5 Bxf5 is it?
    Don't play 1..e5 is my advice. Why get into the sicilian reversed when white probably likes the idea.

    You can reply to 1. c4 with 1..Nf6 perhaps transposing to a standard queen pawn opening or use the symmetric english 1..c5.
  5. Standard member Smiffy
    SPS CLAN
    01 Mar '06 15:45 / 1 edit
    I play sicilian reversed and if you play that you get bogged in a tactical game.......
    apart from that i also recommend the dutch f5
  6. 01 Mar '06 15:50
    the dutch is a good option, there are also some excellent symetric variants. For instance I love playing the hedgehog. In general whites advantage is minimized in the symetric lines.
  7. 02 Mar '06 00:09
    Originally posted by hypermo2001
    Don't play 1..e5 is my advice. Why get into the sicilian reversed when white probably likes the idea.

    You can reply to 1. c4 with 1..Nf6 perhaps transposing to a standard queen pawn opening or use the symmetric english 1..c5.
    i agree.
    you could play d5 as early as move one, and aim for a queens gambit position.
  8. 02 Mar '06 11:42
    Originally posted by tonytiger41
    i agree.
    you could play d5 as early as move one, and aim for a queens gambit position.
    would you try something like this.
    1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 c5 3. g3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5.Bg2 Nc7(Nxc3 going the Grunfeld way) 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. 0-0 e5! and you have a reversed maroczy bind. later moves are Be7,0-0, Be6. If white attacks the c5 pawn, then cool b6.
    You have full control of d4 and d5 squares
  9. 02 Mar '06 13:59
    Originally posted by Pereira
    would you try something like this.
    1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 c5 3. g3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5.Bg2 Nc7(Nxc3 going the Grunfeld way) 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. 0-0 e5! and you have a reversed maroczy bind. later moves are Be7,0-0, Be6. If white attacks the c5 pawn, then cool b6.
    You have full control of d4 and d5 squares
    The rubinstein is an interesting variation. However 6. Qb3 for white leads to a very interesting game (I recently won a USCF corr. game with it). I found that while black can build a nice center with f6 and e5, white has a very straightforward plan that is hard to resist after 6... Nc6 7. Bxc6, bxc6 when white can play b3 and dveelop rook knight and bishop to attack the doubled pawns.
  10. 05 Mar '06 11:32
    usually, if the opponent plays 1c4, he is probably expecting a "slow
    " game, so BLAST THE BOARD OPEN!!!!!

    i tried 1 c4 b5 once.....
  11. 05 Mar '06 17:05 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by ChEsSExPeRt58
    usually, if the opponent plays 1c4, he is probably expecting a "slow
    " game, so BLAST THE BOARD OPEN!!!!!

    i tried 1 c4 b5 once.....
    When I play 1. c4 ... I expect a chess game and nothing more.