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  1. Standard member beauroberts
    Father of Three
    25 Feb '14 13:44
    I played an OTB game yesterday as black. For the first time ever an opponent played 1. b4?

    I was completely in awe about how to respond it caught me off guard.

    What opening is this?

    I responded 1.b4 d5.

    Was this the best move for me. I got beaten and badly so I am unsure about this b4 problem.

    Any thoughts?

    Beau
  2. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    25 Feb '14 13:47
    Originally posted by beauroberts
    I played an OTB game yesterday as black. For the first time ever an opponent played 1. b4?

    I was completely in awe about how to respond it caught me off guard.

    What opening is this?

    I responded 1.b4 d5.

    Was this the best move for me. I got beaten and badly so I am unsure about this b4 problem.

    Any thoughts?

    Beau
    It's tricky as a lot of time white is willing to sacrifice the pawn. Why don't you post the game so we can see what you played?
  3. 25 Feb '14 13:53 / 2 edits
    A friend of mine, who has a FIDE rating of around 2300, played this in a 4NCL game a few years ago:


    I was impressed with the position he got out of the opening and have used it in blitz games ever since. I haven't tried it in a serious game yet because I meet 1.b4 so rarely.

    My mistake, I had the move order slightly wrong because White played an early Nf3 ( making the opening the wonderfully named "Santasiere's Folly" )
    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1607145
  4. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    25 Feb '14 15:13 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Data Fly
    A friend of mine, who has a FIDE rating of around 2300, played this in a 4NCL game a few years ago:
    [pgn]
    1. b4 d5 2. Bb2 Qd6 3. a3 e5
    [/pgn]

    I was impressed with the position he got out of the opening and have used it in blitz games ever since. I haven't tried it in a serious game yet because I meet 1.b4 so rarely.

    My mistake, I had the move order ...[text shortened]... 2. Bg6 Ne7 73. Bh5 Nf5 74. Bg4 Ne7
    75. Bd1 Kf7 76. Bb3+ Kf6 77. Bc2 Nf5 78. Bb1 1/2-1/2
    [/pgn]
    19.Nxe6 was a serious mistake by white i feel. Why exchange such a strong knight for such a terrible bishop? White had all the time in the World. 19.Na6 followed by Nb4 and how is black going to regain control of c6? Positionally black would be totally busted.
  5. 25 Feb '14 16:40
    I guess Black was planning on playing f5-f4 and White decided to stop that by keeping the initiative even though that meant swapping off his opponent's "bad" bishop. That sort of thing happens all the time, you can't always have all the advantages on your side, you've got to be willing to give up some (better knight in this case) in order to increase others (rook coming straight into c6, Black on the defensive and no time for an immediate f5-f4). It was a typical FM level sort of game.
  6. Standard member RBHILL
    Acts 13:48
    25 Feb '14 16:44 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by beauroberts
    I played an OTB game yesterday as black. For the first time ever an opponent played 1. b4?

    I was completely in awe about how to respond it caught me off guard.

    What opening is this?

    I responded 1.b4 d5.

    Was this the best move for me. I got beaten and badly so I am unsure about this b4 problem.

    Any thoughts?

    Beau
    At my local chess club there's a guy known as the b4 man and he's about 1900+ rated.

    I would play e5 myself.
  7. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    25 Feb '14 19:00
    Originally posted by Data Fly
    I guess Black was planning on playing f5-f4 and White decided to stop that by keeping the initiative even though that meant swapping off his opponent's "bad" bishop. That sort of thing happens all the time, you can't always have all the advantages on your side, you've got to be willing to give up some (better knight in this case) in order to increase others ...[text shortened]... ck on the defensive and no time for an immediate f5-f4). It was a typical FM level sort of game.
    Actually it's even simpler than that. 19.Na6 wins the exchange because if say ..Ra8 then 20.Rc6 is curtains..
  8. 25 Feb '14 19:30
    What if we say 19. ... Rbc8 instead?
  9. Standard member hunterknox
    Hopeless romantic
    25 Feb '14 19:30
    1... a5 works for me but I wouldn't argue with Data Fly's mate.
  10. Subscriber moonbus
    Uber-Nerd
    25 Feb '14 20:53 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by beauroberts
    I played an OTB game yesterday as black. For the first time ever an opponent played 1. b4?

    I was completely in awe about how to respond it caught me off guard.

    What opening is this?

    I responded 1.b4 d5.

    Was this the best move for me. I got beaten and badly so I am unsure about this b4 problem.

    Any thoughts?

    Beau
    The opening was played by S. Tartakower and later by A. Santasiere (who sometimes played 1. Nf3 and 2. b4). It was later analyzed by Sokolski. It is known by several names: Polish Opening (after Sokolski), Orangutan (Tartakower's facetious name for it), Santasiere's Folly. It is an eccentric opening but not without theoretical significance: White attempts to control the center from the flanks, rather than by direct occupation. An outright refutation is not known to me. Playable replies are 1. ... d5, 1. ... e5, and 1. ... a5. Anything timid let's White have it all his own way.
  11. Standard member Schlecter
    The King of Board
    25 Feb '14 21:03 / 8 edits
    I used to play a lot this opening 1. b4!!

    Best answer.... just 1.b4 e5.

    or the best of the best 1 b4 c6!! (to avoid the orangutan in b5)

    Game 9941146



    Game 9989072




    Even with black you can use the same ideas with 1 .... b5

    Game 10196374

  12. 25 Feb '14 23:04 / 1 edit
    Hi beauroberts

    "Blacks best response to b4 ."

    If there was truly an answer to this opening move then there would
    not be so many different responces and ideas posted.

    Nor would we have players swanning about playing it with any form of regulararity.

    Post the game so we can see what happened after you, having never
    played against 1.b4 before, felt that 1...d5 was the best reply.
    Maybe you can work on that. 1...d5 is OK.

    In the end it will come down to you and what you think is the best reply.
  13. Standard member ChessPraxis
    Cowboy From Hell
    25 Feb '14 23:06 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by beauroberts
    I played an OTB game yesterday as black. For the first time ever an opponent played 1. b4?

    I was completely in awe about how to respond it caught me off guard.

    What opening is this?

    I responded 1.b4 d5.

    Was this the best move for me. I got beaten and badly so I am unsure about this b4 problem.

    Any thoughts?

    Beau
    The Polish, Orangutan, Sokolsky
    Chess is 15% what your opponent plays and 85% how you react to it.
  14. Standard member RBHILL
    Acts 13:48
    25 Feb '14 23:46
    Originally posted by ChessPraxis
    The Polish, Orangutan, Sokolsky
    Chess is 15% what your opponent plays and 85% how you react to it.
    I once title a game the orangutan and it offended someone, lol. In the past I have title them the other 2. I just wanted to be different that's all. 😛
  15. Standard member beauroberts
    Father of Three
    26 Feb '14 00:41
    Originally posted by beauroberts
    I played an OTB game yesterday as black. For the first time ever an opponent played 1. b4?

    I was completely in awe about how to respond it caught me off guard.

    What opening is this?

    I responded 1.b4 d5.

    Was this the best move for me. I got beaten and badly so I am unsure about this b4 problem.

    Any thoughts?

    Beau
    I have no idea how to post it in game form but here it is. I am still fairly new to Chess notation so hopefully I got it right. Any thoughts on where I went wrong would be appreciated... Beau

    1. b4 d5
    2. Bb2 Bf5
    3. e3 e6
    4. Nf3 Nf6
    5. c4 Nc6
    6. a3 dxc4
    7. Bxc4 Bd3
    8. Qb3 Bxc4
    9. Qxc4 Bd6
    10. d3 O-O
    11. Nbd2 a6
    12. O-O h6
    13. e4 e5
    14. Nh4Ne7
    15. h3 b5
    16. Qc2 Rc8
    17. Nb3 Nd7
    18.d4 exd4
    19. Bxd4 Ne5
    20. Rfd1 N7c6
    21. Nf5 Qg5
    22. Be3 Qg6
    23. f4 Nc4
    24. Bc5 Rfe8
    25. e5 Bf8
    26. Rd7 Qe6
    27. Bxf8 Kxf8
    28. Nc5 Qg6
    29. g4 Ne7
    30.Kh2 h5
    31. Qd3 hxg4
    32. Rxe7 Rxe7
    33. Rg1 Qc6
    34. Rxg4 g6
    35. Rh4 gxf5
    36. Rh8+ Kg7
    37. Rxc8 Nb6
    38. Rd8 Nc4
    39. Qxf5 Qg6
    40. Qf6+ Qxf6
    41. exf6+ Kxf6
    42. Rxe8 1-0