Budapest Gambit (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5)

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But maybe its because your knowledges of Budapest are worse than in opening which you play usually.

I love the Budapest and use it as my main defense against 1. d4 in OTB now. It has two main advantages:

1. Even fairly strong players don't usually know it;

2. It opens the position early, which is the opposite of what most d4 players want.

In CC it's not as good; if you follow databases, White gets a bit of a edge in almost all lines. But that's generally true in most responses to d4 anyway.

Originally posted by no1marauder
I love the Budapest and use it as my main defense against 1. d4 in OTB now. It has two main advantages:

1. Even fairly strong players don't usually know it;

2. It opens the position early, which is the opposite of what most d4 players want.

In CC it's not as good; if you follow databases, White gets a bit of a edge in almost all lines. But that's generally true in most responses to d4 anyway.

Sounds about right to me.

Originally posted by cmsMaster
Sounds about right to me.

But white can avoid it playing 2.Nf3

Originally posted by Korch
But white can avoid it playing 2.Nf3

That's the case with any response.

Originally posted by cmsMaster
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Game 3141524

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DOH!

Originally posted by Korch
But white can avoid it playing 2.Nf3

Haven't seen that yet. I suppose I'd probably just play b6 and angle for a Queen's Indian line.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Haven't seen that yet. I suppose I'd probably just play b6 and angle for a Queen's Indian line.

You haven't seen 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3?

Originally posted by cmsMaster
You haven't seen 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3?

I've played in 9 OTB tournaments in the last year and a half. No, no one in those games has played 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3. Why should they? Black gets easy equality in almost all lines of the Torre if I felt like now playing d5. And if he switches to 3 c4, it's a Queen Indian anyway.

Originally posted by no1marauder
I've played in 9 OTB tournaments in the last year and a half. No, no one in those games has played 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3. Why should they? Black gets easy equality in almost all lines of the Torre if I felt like now playing d5. And if he switches to 3 c4, it's a Queen Indian anyway.

I have seen 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 played strong opponents and even IMs and GMs. So maybe it isnt so primitive as the way you seeing it? For example after 2...d5 white can wish to play Catalan with delaying of c4, playing g3-Bg2-0-0 first.

Originally posted by Korch
I have seen 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 played strong opponents and even IMs and GMs. So maybe it isnt so primitive as the way you seeing it? For example after 2...d5 white can wish to play Catalan with delaying of c4, playing g3-Bg2-0-0 first.

I wrote that reply in a hurry and didn't think it through.😳 I don't regard any opening as "primitive" esp. in the hands of a strong player.

Thinking about it, I still like b6 though perhaps after e6. Interestingly in my games, I've seen 2. Nc3 three times, every time transposing into a King's Pawn opening - I think 1 d4 Nf6 2. Nc3 is some kind of anti-Sicilian strategy.

An IM once told me he always plays 1. d4 Nf6 and then 2. Nf3 to avoid all the pesky gambits. It basically avoids benko, volga, budapest and all you can think of. I do it sometimes myself when I want some calm play.

PS. And no, it doesn't give black equality =)