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  1. Standard member bannedplayer306509
    Best Loser
    04 Jun '07 21:44
    Game 3603199

    This game is incredibly complex. In fact, this game may be better than I am. I have no idea how I played through this game without blowing it. I'm running it through fritz right now and it's produced about 15 possible moves that went unplayed. Only a couple of them does fritz say are neccesarily better, but it goes to show that this game had a lot in it.

    I'd really like it if one of those higher rated players on this site would be able to take the time to look through this game. I'm attempting to create my own annotation of the game but I'm finding it rather difficult. Anyways, thanks for your time.
  2. Standard member irontigran
    Rob Scheider is..
    04 Jun '07 21:57
    it would have been cool to see 2 evenly matched players go for broke there...
  3. Standard member bannedplayer306509
    Best Loser
    04 Jun '07 21:59 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by jvanhine
    it would have been cool to see 2 evenly matched players go for broke there...
    I don't think I could have defended the mate threat and kept tempo at the same time. I probably would have lost if not for the perpetual.

    Edit - Don't get me wrong.. we both played to win.
  4. Standard member smw6869
    Granny
    05 Jun '07 02:53
    Somebody calling me?
  5. Standard member irontigran
    Rob Scheider is..
    05 Jun '07 03:40
    yeah, a good idea on your part to tie...id just think it be cool to see 2 queens go a it... good game
  6. Standard member Dies Irae
    I Love U
    05 Jun '07 04:40
    why not 10... axb5?
  7. Standard member irontigran
    Rob Scheider is..
    05 Jun '07 04:46
    Originally posted by Dies Irae
    why not 10... axb5?
    ya that looks good to me...maybe to powerfull spot to have the knight move too??? do explain, theres a good lesson here im guessing...
  8. 05 Jun '07 05:12 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Dies Irae
    why not 10... axb5?
    11. axb5 Nb8
    12. Ra8 Be6
    13. Ba7 Kd7
    14. Rxb8 Rxb8
    15. Bxb8 Bd7

    Black loses a pawn out of the entire endeavor and his king has been forced out of the castled position.

    There is also

    11. axb5 b6
    12. c4 Nb8

    Black must move the knight here because he will have to try to escape via Be6 followed by Kd7. If black plays 12...Be6? then 13. bxc6 and black's escape route is cut off and will be mated.

    13. Ra8 Be6
    14. Qa4 Kd7
    15. Qa7

    The black knight is now trapped, the black king is on the run, white is up a pawn, and the queen is very dangerous in that area (and threatens Qxc7). Black played correctly to not capture.


    *I haven't checked these moves with an engine; there may very well be an improvement in the lines I just gave.
  9. Standard member Dies Irae
    I Love U
    05 Jun '07 06:38
    Ok what about

    11. axb5 Nb8
    12. Ra8 b6

    That blocks the bishop from coming in
  10. 05 Jun '07 06:59 / 1 edit
    I'm sure Fritz will find improvements for both sides in the middlegame, though I didn't see anything obvious. However, in the endgame, I think White can still pressure Black by playing (instead of 31.Qf8+) 31.Qh8+ Ka7 32.Qd4+ and follow it up with advancing a pawn on the Kingside (probably 33.g4 is best, though I wouldn't swear to it.) With perfect play, I suspect Black can hold the draw, but there is no question the position is more pleasant for White.
  11. 05 Jun '07 07:22
    Originally posted by Dies Irae
    Ok what about

    11. axb5 Nb8
    12. Ra8 b6

    That blocks the bishop from coming in
    13. Qa1 should do it.
  12. Standard member bannedplayer306509
    Best Loser
    10 Jun '07 01:49 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Dies Irae
    why not 10... axb5?
    Taking it is, according to fritz the better move. However, I think after Qd2 (mate threat) and sliding the rook, I have too many attacks to defend succesfully. Declining the sacrifice was a better move IMO. Fritz judges taking the bishop just a little better than not. I would judge what my opponent played to be a better move.

    Edit - Just so you know I gave fritz 15 seconds to analyze this move.. it's possible it missed the line either I or ramiri was looking at, those engines are flawed both strategically and, sometimes even tactically
  13. Standard member RECUVIC
    international loser
    10 Jun '07 15:18
    unfortunately the whole point has been missed here! white--5/pawn to d4 wins immediately for white! nobody should really need this explained,neither does anybody require micro- brain assistance !!
  14. 11 Jun '07 14:30
    Originally posted by ih8sens
    Taking it is, according to fritz the better move. However, I think after Qd2 (mate threat) and sliding the rook, I have too many attacks to defend succesfully. Declining the sacrifice was a better move IMO. Fritz judges taking the bishop just a little better than not. I would judge what my opponent played to be a better move.

    Edit - Just so you know I ...[text shortened]... miri was looking at, those engines are flawed both strategically and, sometimes even tactically
    I gave Chessmaster 10 two minutes and it played ...f5. So it was simply a matter of the horizon effect.
  15. 11 Jun '07 14:49
    Originally posted by RECUVIC
    unfortunately the whole point has been missed here! white--5/pawn to d4 wins immediately for white! nobody should really need this explained,neither does anybody require micro- brain assistance !!
    Well it does require a bit of explanation as it is not immediately apparent. I suppose after:

    5. d5 exd5
    6. Nxd5 Bd7
    7. Nxc6 Bxc6
    8. Bxc6 bxc6
    9. c5

    black has some serious development issues because he cannot castle queenside and to castle kingside he must either expend either four moves (through a fianchetto or moving the queen) or three moves if he moves the knight to a bad square on h6. In this time I suppose white could grab a fairly large lead. Also, I'd think:

    5. d5 Bd7
    6. d6 a6
    7. dxc6

    leaves black with similar problems, but certainly not an immediate loss.