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  1. 31 Mar '08 01:48 / 1 edit
    This is a position from an OTB tournament I just played in. It was against a friend of mine (User 380488) and since he normally beats me rather soundly, I was quite happy with a draw as white. However, I am curious as to whether I should have played for the win. The position I've shown was repeated three times, he kept moving his king to either side of his knight and I kept checking with my rook so he moved back behind his knight and I reestablished the pin. Is there something else I should have done?

  2. Standard member irontigran
    Rob Scheider is..
    31 Mar '08 01:50
    Originally posted by mrjonesvich321
    This is a position from an OTB tournament I just played in. It was against a friend of mine (User 380488) and since he normally beats me rather soundly, I was quite happy with a draw as white. However, I am curious as to whether I should have played for the win. The position I've shown was repeated three times, he kept moving his king to eith ...[text shortened]... Is there something else I should have done?

    [fen]6k1/6n1/p3p1R1/1pr3BP/8/2P5/PKP5/8 b [/fen]
    h6!
  3. 31 Mar '08 01:52 / 3 edits
    I should mention it's black to move, but assume he would move his king to whichever side of his knight you want (Kf7 or Kh7, because he played both of those just previous to the end of the game, and I failed to obtain any advantage), then play on as white.
  4. Standard member irontigran
    Rob Scheider is..
    31 Mar '08 02:01
    Originally posted by mrjonesvich321
    I should mention it's black to move, but assume he would move his king to whichever side of his knight you want (Kf7 or Kh7, because he played both of those just previous to the end of the game, and I failed to obtain any advantage), then play on as white.
    ...Kf8 Bh6 Rxh5 Bxg7.. wouldnt that work?
  5. 31 Mar '08 02:01 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by mrjonesvich321
    This is a position from an OTB tournament I just played in. It was against a friend of mine (User 380488) and since he normally beats me rather soundly, I was quite happy with a draw as white. However, I am curious as to whether I should have played for the win. The position I've shown was repeated three times, he kept moving his king to eith ...[text shortened]... Is there something else I should have done?

    [fen]6k1/6n1/p3p1R1/1pr3BP/8/2P5/PKP5/8 b [/fen]
    What about leaving your rook where it is on g6 and pinning his knight to the king with your bishop? If ...Kh8, then Bf6, or if ...Kf8, then Bh6. If ...Rc7 on the next move (trying to protect the knight), then you play h6.
  6. 31 Mar '08 02:05
    Originally posted by Mad Rook
    What about leaving your rook where it is on g6 and pinning his knight to the king with your bishop? If ...Kh8, then Bf6, or if ...Kf8, then Bh6. If ...Rc7 on the next move (trying to protect the knight), then you play h6.
    HIs post clearly says either side f/h7 not f/h8
  7. 31 Mar '08 02:10
    Originally posted by zebano
    HIs post clearly says either side f/h[b]7 not f/h8[/b]
    As Yasser sometimes says, Oopsie daisy!
  8. 31 Mar '08 02:10 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by mrjonesvich321
    This is a position from an OTB tournament I just played in. It was against a friend of mine (User 380488) and since he normally beats me rather soundly, I was quite happy with a draw as white. However, I am curious as to whether I should have played for the win. The position I've shown was repeated three times, he kept moving his king to eith ...[text shortened]... Is there something else I should have done?

    [fen]6k1/6n1/p3p1R1/1pr3BP/8/2P5/PKP5/8 b [/fen]
    If Kh8? then Bf6 Rc7 h6 wins the knight

    If 1..Kf8 2.Bh6 Rc7 3.Bxg7 Rxg7 4.Rxg7 Kxg7 5.c4! bxc4 6.Kc3 Kh6 7.Kd4! Kxh5 8.Ke5 and from here white has a clear won game.

    If 5..Kh6 6.cxb5 axb5 7.c4! bxc4 8.a4! and white has a clear won game

    Edit: Jeremy silmans complete endgame course is awsome
  9. 31 Mar '08 02:23
    If Black plays Kf7 or Kh7, then I can't really see any win for White. But I'm just a patzer, what do I know?
  10. Standard member wittywonka
    Chocolate Expert
    31 Mar '08 02:33
    Since nobody seems to be reading closely, let me restate what I believe the author is attempting to communicate.

    White to move:

  11. 31 Mar '08 02:36
    Okay so we've established that Kf8 loses. I'm comforted that nobody sees a win if Kf7 or Kh7 so the draw was a good result.
  12. 31 Mar '08 02:37
    Originally posted by wittywonka
    Since nobody seems to be reading closely, let me restate what I believe the author is attempting to communicate.

    White to move:

    [fen]8/5kn1/p3p1R1/1pr3BP/8/2P5/PKP5/8[/fen]
    Be7 Kxe7 Rxg7+ Kd6 h6 Rh5 h7 and white enters a complex endgame with black having a backward isolated pawn, and white having a rook pawn. and white having a negligible advantage on the kingside.
  13. 31 Mar '08 02:41
    Originally posted by mrjonesvich321
    Okay so we've established that Kf8 loses. I'm comforted that nobody sees a win if Kf7 or Kh7 so the draw was a good result.
    Yeah, from a patzer point of view, I wouldn't have felt bad with the draw as White, even though I had an extra pawn. (White does have doubled pawns.)
  14. 31 Mar '08 02:41 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Adorea
    Be7 Kxe7 Rxg7+ Kd6 h6 Rh5 h7 and white enters a complex endgame with black having a backward isolated pawn, and white having a rook pawn. and white having a negligible advantage on the kingside.
    What about after Be7 Rxh5? Doesn't that just lose a pawn for white?
  15. Standard member wittywonka
    Chocolate Expert
    31 Mar '08 02:42 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Adorea
    Be7 Kxe7 Rxg7+ Kd6 h6 Rh5 h7 and white enters a complex endgame with black having a backward isolated pawn, and white having a rook pawn. and white having a negligible advantage on the kingside.
    1. Be7 Rxh5

    Edit: Didn't see mrjonesvich321's earlier response.