I have been revamping my opening trying to be more tactical, or at least aggressive. I left 1.c4 behind and took up 1. e4 with the intent of playing the italian game. In particular, the fried liver against the two knights and a plan of c3, d3 and when the time is right d4 otherwise. I am moderately happy playing against open sicillians, but I cannot stand the Caro. I have tried the advance and it's had the best results so far, the panov just gets me in trouble and 3. Nc3 doesn't seem to offer much.
So I decided to take a look at the craziest line I could find.
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf4 4. Nc3 e6 (I know this isn't the only move here, but it's by far the most common) 5. g4 Bg6 6. Nge2
Does anyone know the current state of theory or have any advice on this line. In particular this line has come up many times.
6... h6 7. Bd3 Bxd3 8. Qxd3 c5 9. Be3 and while white has a huge lead in development, the kingside attack doesn't seem to be panning out and 0-0 probably won't be very helpful due to the weak dark squares.
The key idea I've come across is making g6 into a weak point and invading from there, but if black plays well, I need a second resource.
As a side note.
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e3!? is a worthy play if you enjoy your endgames.
Originally posted by zebanoi dont do this one in general, but im a caro player who likes when my opponents do the advance... would you like to play me in it?
I have been revamping my opening trying to be more tactical, or at least aggressive. I left 1.c4 behind and took up 1. e4 with the intent of playing the italian game. In particular, the fried liver against the two knights and a plan of c3, d3 and when the time is right d4 otherwise. I am moderately happy playing against open sicillians, but I cannot stand the ...[text shortened]...
As a side note.
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e3!? is a worthy play if you enjoy your endgames.
Originally posted by chessisvanitythats the panov that hes talking about
I like the caro-kann exchange with 4.c4
1.e4...e6
2.d4...d5
3.exd...exd
4.c4!
thats definatly an open game. some may say drawish....but thats only with perfect play.
and that is way beyond us usual rhp crew.
Originally posted by zebanoHm, well I'll try to offer some advice on the Caro-Kann if I can remember anything, I do remember that when I played 1.e4 I used the Advanced - didn't bother with theory either, but the games never really seemed all that tactical anyhow. The Caro-Kann is really quite boring, but since you're revamping your opening rep. as white, why don't you consider 1.d4 - when played correctly it can be incredibly tactical.
I have been revamping my opening trying to be more tactical, or at least aggressive. I left 1.c4 behind and took up 1. e4 with the intent of playing the italian game. In particular, the fried liver against the two knights and a plan of c3, d3 and when the time is right d4 otherwise. I am moderately happy playing against open sicillians, but I cannot stand the ...[text shortened]...
As a side note.
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e3!? is a worthy play if you enjoy your endgames.
Originally posted by cmsMasteri agree with the d4 thing, i have a book on ways to get 1.d4 to tactical places, and its nice..
Hm, well I'll try to offer some advice on the Caro-Kann if I can remember anything, I do remember that when I played 1.e4 I used the Advanced - didn't bother with theory either, but the games never really seemed all that tactical anyhow. The Caro-Kann is really quite boring, but since you're revamping your opening rep. as white, why don't you consider 1.d4 - when played correctly it can be incredibly tactical.
anyways, i think the reason you get boring places in the caro is that you release central tension with the 3rd. move...
Originally posted by zebanoLooks like the Advance variation, or what I can make of it since there's an error in your line: you give 6. Nge2 followed by 7. Bd3 which obviously isn't possible with the a N on e2.
I have been revamping my opening trying to be more tactical, or at least aggressive. I left 1.c4 behind and took up 1. e4 with the intent of playing the italian game. In particular, the fried liver against the two knights and a plan of c3, d3 and when the time is right d4 otherwise. I am moderately happy playing against open sicillians, but I cannot stand the ...[text shortened]...
As a side note.
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e3!? is a worthy play if you enjoy your endgames.
Not trying to be a wise @ss btw, as I'm also interested in anything that takes the Caro out of its usual territory since I too have never liked playing against it.
Originally posted by zebanoGood luck in changing your repertoire, zebano. But give the Ruy Lopez a chance against the italian. Play two or three games and you'll get hooked.
I have been revamping my opening trying to be more tactical, or at least aggressive. I left 1.c4 behind and took up 1. e4 with the intent of playing the italian game. In particular, the fried liver against the two knights and a plan of c3, d3 and when the time is right d4 otherwise. I am moderately happy playing against open sicillians, but I cannot stand the ...[text shortened]...
As a side note.
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e3!? is a worthy play if you enjoy your endgames.
Thanks for the responses.
First off I have tried 1. d4 for about 6 months and decided I liked 1. c4 better.
Second the immediate endgame line should have been
1. e4 c6 2. f4 d5 3. d3!? my apologies. Of course black is not obliged to play 2. ... d5. but most go for 3. d3 dxe 4. dxe QxQ+ 5. KxQ
As far as the line I'm looking at that should have been 7. Be3 (defending d4).
Re: The Panov
I used to play it as a trasposition from the english
1. c4 c6 2. e4 d5 3. exd cxd 4. d4. It's ok, and I will probably fall back to it if this line doesn't work out.