Center Counter defense, Scandinavian defense

Samdogg

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01 Nov 05

Samdogg

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01 Nov 05

Which variation do you prefer if you play this opening, 1e4 d4 2exd4 Qxd4 or 2.... Nf6?

Regicidal

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01 Nov 05

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Originally posted by Samdogg
Which variation do you prefer if you play this opening, 1e4 d4 2exd4 Qxd4 or 2.... Nf6?

I just started trying this trash opening.Game 1504078
I decided on Qxd5 because ..Nf6 can allow white to steer into a queen's gambit type setup with c4. There is no guarantee white will cooperate if you intend the ...Nf6, ..c6 gambit line.

zebano

127.0.0.1

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01 Nov 05

After Nf6, C4 is a painful line for white. Bc4 is much stronger. I much prefer Nf6 as black usually has an easy time with development, and often can take a lead in that department.

Samdogg

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01 Nov 05

Originally posted by zebano
After Nf6, C4 is a painful line for white. Bc4 is much stronger. I much prefer Nf6 as black usually has an easy time with development, and often can take a lead in that department.

Nicely put, I would have to agree.

zebano

127.0.0.1

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01 Nov 05

Originally posted by Samdogg
Nicely put, I would have to agree.

So why did you ask the question? =)

Samdogg

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02 Nov 05

Originally posted by zebano
So why did you ask the question? =)

So maybe I could get feed back on some variations or something I may have missed in playing all my other games someone else could point out.

e4 effort

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02 Nov 05

i've been following the repertoire recommended by IM Andrew Martin in his 'Scheming Scandinavian' dvd and it seems pretty solid. this is qxd5 followed by qa5 after nc3. It's a good dvd, highly recommended.

whitedeerwithnohorns

Wales

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02 Nov 05

1.e4 d5 2.d5 transposes to blackmar which can be great fun, but then with 2. e6 black could always play the french or 2.c6 and go with the Caro Kann.

Doubleton

Netherlands

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02 Nov 05

It gets funny when you make a gambit of it and play :
3 Nc3 - Qa5
4 b4 - Qxb4
5 Rb1 - Qd6 etc

game Game 1344204

Does your cd also include this line ?

e4 effort

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02 Nov 05

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Originally posted by Doubleton
It gets funny when you make a gambit of it and play :
3 Nc3 - Qa5
4 b4 - Qxb4
5 Rb1 - Qd6 etc

game Game 1344204

Does your cd also include this line ?

yes, it's known as the mieses gambit. Martin considers it unsound and suggests taking the pawn. You correctly played a6 after d4 to stop an attack on c7. Nice one!

Samdogg

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03 Nov 05

Originally posted by e4 effort
yes, it's known as the mieses gambit. Martin considers it unsound and suggests taking the pawn. You correctly played a6 after d4 to stop an attack on c7. Nice one!

Well thank you all for your input but that game is an example of why I would not like to take the pawn with my queen, queen can get into a sticky situation. 😕

zebano

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03 Nov 05

Originally posted by zebano
After Nf6, C4 is a painful line for white. Bc4 is much stronger. I much prefer Nf6 as black usually has an easy time with development, and often can take a lead in that department.

Ehm I must correct myself. While Bc4 is playable and much better than c4, Bb5+ is stronger yet

1. e4 d5
2. exd5 Nf6
3. Bb5+ Bd7
4. Bc4 Bg4+
5. f3

etc.

dnpante

Makati City,MM,Phils

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09 Nov 05

hi, i have been using center counter for a long time now against e4 but lately i have shifted to carokann since it offers black with more possibilities. Qxd5 prematurely exposes the queen and also giving a tempo for white to develop its QN.

I tried using the center counter with white when 1.e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. Qxd4 Nc6 4. Qa4 with the idea of castling at the queenside then exchanging white's white colored bishop with knight at c6 so white can go back to d4 to control it. then f3, g4, h4 pawn continuations.