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  1. 29 Jan '06 19:52
    if the black king is in the middle of the board is it possible to avoid being mated if white has just a rook left?
  2. 29 Jan '06 20:05
    Originally posted by trevor33
    if the black king is in the middle of the board is it possible to avoid being mated if white has just a rook left?
    Yes, he can and will be mated!

    Rook and King vs King - Mate
    2 Rooks and King vs King - Mate
    Queen and King vs King - mate
    2 bishop and King vs King - mate
    2 knight and king vs King - mate can't be forced expect if there are some pawns.

    knight and bishop and king vs king - mate but hard
  3. 29 Jan '06 20:29
    Originally posted by trevor33
    if the black king is in the middle of the board is it possible to avoid being mated if white has just a rook left?
    Just a rook? Not a king?
    Then it is impossible for white to win.
    But with a white king present a mate is not far away.
  4. 29 Jan '06 20:31
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    Just a rook? Not a king?
    Then it is impossible for white to win.
    But with a white king present a mate is not far away.
    You can't play with no king.
  5. Standard member buffalobill
    Major Bone
    29 Jan '06 20:56
    Originally posted by Sicilian Smaug
    I once got mated by 2 knights and a king in a blitz game I just seemed to accidently place my king in exactly the right spot for him. Dont beleive that can be forced though
    Yes it can, knight and bishop can't unless your opponent is stupid. Knight and Knight is hard, though.
  6. 29 Jan '06 20:56
    can a knight and a bishop force a mate?
  7. Standard member buffalobill
    Major Bone
    29 Jan '06 20:57
    Originally posted by trevor33
    if the black king is in the middle of the board is it possible to avoid being mated if white has just a rook left?
    No. It's a very simple mate - just may take a few moves.
  8. 29 Jan '06 21:17
    Originally posted by Sicilian Smaug
    I thought it was the other way round. Knight and Bishop is hard but can be forced and two knights cannot be forced unless the opponent puts his king in the wrong position.
    King and bishop and knight can be forced and isn't hard but diffucult to learn at first, just needs time and patience and has to be under the 50 move rule.

    king and 2 knights vs a lone king can't be forced. Check any chess ending books and it will tell you this. Get you king to the middle of the board and keep him there. However if they are some pawns on the board then it's different.
  9. 29 Jan '06 21:25
    Originally posted by RahimK
    King and bishop and knight can be forced and isn't hard but diffucult to learn at first, just needs time and patience and has to be under the 50 move rule.

    king and 2 knights vs a lone king can't be forced. Check any chess ending books and it will tell you this. Get you king to the middle of the board and keep him there. However if they are some pawns on the board then it's different.
    how do you force a mate with just the bishop, knight and kings left?
  10. 29 Jan '06 21:26 / 1 edit
    All of you that don't know the minimum force necessary to deliver checkmate should really consider reading Fine's "Basic Chess Endings," or Averbakh's "Chess Endings: Essential Knowledge," before playing one more game.
  11. Standard member Wulebgr
    Angler
    29 Jan '06 21:42
    RK vs K Mate in 16
    QK vs K Mate in 10
    BBK vs K Mate in 19
    BNK vs K Mate in 33
    NNK vs K Draw
    NNK vs KP Checkmate can be forced in some circumstances

    All these should be practiced against Fritz until they can accomplished in under one minute while asleep or inebriated.
  12. 29 Jan '06 22:46
    Originally posted by buffalobill
    Yes it can, knight and bishop can't unless your opponent is stupid. Knight and Knight is hard, though.
    Knight and bishop can force mate, two knights can't unless opponent is stupid
  13. 29 Jan '06 23:09
    Originally posted by chesskid001
    Knight and bishop can force mate, two knights can't unless opponent is stupid
    I didn't want to put it that harshly! That's why i simply mentioned that it not be forced without any "name calling"
  14. 29 Jan '06 23:37
    Originally posted by Sicilian Smaug
    Kindly supplied by Ragnorak a while back Thread 32573
    thank you, and ragnorak

    excellent thread
  15. 30 Jan '06 13:53
    As a matter of interest, how 'stupid' do you have to be to get mated with 2 knights? It's one of those axioms you hear all the time but it's never come up in one of my games. Would you have to literally walk unassisted into a corner to get mated or is there a specific way you need to play to avoid the mate?