Originally posted by vipiuPost these games and we will see where is the problem. In my opinion against closed Sicilian the best setup is fiancetto of black squared biship and developing black knight from g8 to e7 (after e6).
I have many lost games as black in closed sicilian, is any strong player that can see some games of mine(about 5) and tell me some main plans/ideas that I can no in order to improve this opening as black ?
Well well well, I agree with Korch on an opening for once.
I have done ok with it as black too, the only slight troubles I have had is sometimes white can get a bit too comfortable and it gets tricky to avoid draws.
The most important thing, I would say, is preventing white getting a break up the f file - if you can do that as black then the world is yours.
One line I enjoy a little bit is:
1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 d6 5. d3 Bg7 6. f4 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. 0-0 0-0 9. Be3 b6!? , when 10. d4 is met by 10...d5!, and there some complications. Normally it simplifies down, but having the game open up like that is not something most Closed players want.
If you want something bit different play.
1.e4 c5 2.a6!? (Works well if you play the Najdorf or the Kan)
I have found it worked really well on this site and OTB.
Lots of players you will find (e.g !~TONY~!) will play into an Open Sicilian
I used to play the old fianchetto system.1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.0-0 0-0 6.d3 d6 etc.
However I think this gives White they want. It is certainly the defence they are most prepared for!
I have a friend of mine (ECF 160) plays the Closed all the time thinks the e6/d5 is by far the hardest line to play against for White!
I give him problems with the 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 a6!? move order all the time!
Originally posted by Korche6 is a good move, eh? I always avoided it because it makes weak square on f6.
Post these games and we will see where is the problem. In my opinion against closed Sicilian the best setup is fiancetto of black squared biship and developing black knight from g8 to e7 (after e6).
Originally posted by AThousandYoungOne of the man ideas with ...e6 and having the Knight on e7 rather than f6 is that is supports a future ...f5 push to blunt White's g4 move!
e6 is a good move, eh? I always avoided it because it makes weak square on f6.
Also after Black plays ...Nd4 the e7 knight is ready to hop into the vacated c6 square!
Originally posted by najdorfslayerI agree that the ...e6 and ...d5 plan is one of the best plans (same with the GPA). The problem is that most people can't really use this system as it's incompatible with the Open Sicilians they play, but I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here.
If you want something bit different play.
1.e4 c5 2.a6!? (Works well if you play the Najdorf or the Kan)
I have found it worked [b]really well on this site and OTB.
Lots of players you will find (e.g !~TONY~!) will play into an Open Sicilian
I used to play the old fianchetto system.1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.0-0 0-0 6.d3 d6 ...[text shortened]... y against for White!
I give him problems with the 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 a6!? move order all the time![/b]
Originally posted by !~TONY~!Very true - I normally play 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 as white. I'm not planning to play the Closed line with g3 etc. but hoping to move-order my opponent.
I agree that the ...e6 and ...d5 plan is one of the best plans (same with the GPA). The problem is that most people can't really use this system as it's incompatible with the Open Sicilians they play, but I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here.
For example, Najdorf players won't want to reply 2...Nc6 in case of 3.Nf3 intending d4. If they play 2...d6, however, then 3.f4 (The Grand Prix Attack) is more of an option because any...d5 by black has lost them a tempo. Not that it is fatal, but setting these early 'problems' gains time on the clock and wrong-foots the opponent.
As black I play a dangerous looking move in the mainline Closed Sicilian: 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.d3 d6 6.Be3 b5!?
Usually gains a lot of time on the clock and I've scored (I think) 100% OTB with it against decent quality opposition (ELO 1800-2200)
1st game(someone pls place them in some graphic players)
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 g6 4. O-O Bg7 5. c3 Qb6 6. Na3 a6 7. Ba4 Qc7 8. d4
b5 9. Bc2 cxd4 10. Nxd4 Nxd4 11. cxd4 b4 12. Nb1 Bb7 13. Be3 Nf6 14. Nd2 O-O
15. Rc1 Rac8 16. Bb1 Qb8 17. Qe2 Rxc1 18. Rxc1 Rc8 19. Rd1 a5 20. f3 Qa8 21.
Nc4 Ba6 22. Bd3 Bxc4 23. Bxc4 d5 24. Ba6 Rc7 25. e5 Nd7 26. Rc1 Qa7 27. Rxc7
Qxc7 28. Qb5 e6 29. Bb7 Bf8 30. Qc6 Qxc6 31. Bxc6 Nb6 32. b3 Be7 33. Bh6 f5 34.
g3 Kf7 35. h4 Bd8 36. Kf2 Be7 37. Ke3 Bf8 38. Bg5 Be7 39. Bf4 Kg7 40. Kf2 Kf7
41. Kg2 Kg7 42. Kh3 Kf7 43. g4 Kg7 44. Kg3 Bd8 45. gxf5 gxf5 46. Bg5 Bxg5 47.
hxg5 Kf7 48. Kh4 Nc8 49. Kh5 Ne7 50. Bd7 Ng8 51. Bc6 Kg7 52. Be8 Kf8 53. g6
hxg6+ 54. Bxg6 Ne7 55. Kg5 Nc6 56. Kf6 Nxd4 57. Bf7 f4 58. Bg6 Kg8 59. Bh5 Kh7
60. Kg5 Kg7 61. Kxf4 Nxb3 62. axb3 a4 63. bxa4 b3 64. Kg5 1-0
this loss as black cost me the title...(white is about 2000)
2nd game...white is about 2080, but I smelled fear...still...I was worse all the time and happy to get away with this draw:
1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. d3 d6 6. Be3 e6 7. Qd2 Nd4 8. Nd1
Rb8 9. c3 Nc6 10. Ne2 Nge7 11. Bh6 O-O 12. Bxg7 Kxg7 13. O-O e5 14. Ne3 f6 15.
f4 b6 16. Rf2 Qd7 17. d4 Qc7 18. Nd5 Nxd5 19. exd5 Nd8 20. dxe5 fxe5 21. Raf1
Qe7 22. Qe3 Nf7 23. fxe5 Qxe5 24. Qxe5+ dxe5 25. b3 Bf5 26. c4 Nd6 27. Nc3 Bd3
28. Rxf8 Rxf8 29. Rxf8 Kxf8 30. Kf2 1/2-1/2