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Closed sicilian as black

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thx moteutsch...




this also...it is in progress...but I want only the opening analysed...
gameid=4722376

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I will try to find the magazine with the last one...anyway:
I am expecting for some different plans...or like strategic advices(like prevent white f5 with any cost, or do not release the tension in the center by pushing c4....etc, not engine analysis for blunder check....those I also did...)

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Here are some my brief thoughts, although to be honest I only looked at each game briefly without a computer. Overall I don't think you played all that badly!

GAME 1:

One idea I think is interesting is 7...Rb8 instead of 7...Nd4. ...Nd4 is very common, and maybe it's even theory, I haven't checked. But to me without a White knight on e2, ...Nd4 makes less sense. A normal White plan with the N on e2 is to play Nd1 and Nc1, then c3, but here, he just had to play Nd1 and c3 since there was no knight to chop. Probably not that big of a deal, just the first thought. One example variation would look like this:

7...Rb8 8. Nge2 b5 9. 0-0 b4 10. Nd1 Nge7 11. Bh6 0-0 12. Bxg7 Kxg7 13. f4 f5 (or ...d5, or even ...Bb7) and Black's fine.

Another thought is that maybe it's best to try to find another constructive move on move 8. By playing ...Nge7, you of course allow Bh6, exchanging off the bishop and leaving your dark squares weak. It's probably best to leave White hanging for a bit and either put a bunch of pawns on dark squares to prepare for the exchange of that piece, or start with ...b5, etc....As White, I might have even tried to go after you with 13. h4!, which looks like a legimately strong move here.

Also, 14...f6 didn't look strictly necessary. Maybe a better idea is 14...Be6 15. f4 Qd7, stopping f5 for the moment. You can play ...f6 any time you want, it's best to do something else. 14...f5 looks interesting as well, but maybe unnecessarily risky.

It looks to me like you lost the thread a little bit after some serious time wasters. ...Qd7-c7, then ...b6, all turned out to be complete wastes. White certainly had a nearly winning edge (to me), but it looks like you defending okay and the endgame was drawn.

GAME 2:

I would never play 10...Nxd4. Why fix his center up like that. Sure you get in ...b4 uncontested, but his knight was stupid on a3 anyway. I would almost surely play 10...Nf6, and look to play against the e-pawn with ...Bb7. In fact, the b4 idea is much stronger with the pawn on c3!

The plan with ...Ba6xc4 doesn't make any sense in my opinion. You gave up the two bishops for nothing, and after this White looks better.

Why ...Qa7? 26...Rxc1 27. Rxc1 Qc6 28. Be3 Nf8!? looking to put the knight on e6, looks like a better try to defend.

53. g6? relieves a lot of pressure. You only have one weakness for all intensive purposes, and since you can defend it, you shouldn't lose this (I won't point out the blunder, we both know)!

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Originally posted by !~TONY~!
Here are some my brief thoughts, although to be honest I only looked at each game briefly without a computer. Overall I don't think you played all that badly!

GAME 1:

One idea I think is interesting is 7...Rb8 instead of 7...Nd4. ...Nd4 is very common, and maybe it's even theory, I haven't checked. But to me without a White knight on e2, ...Nd4 makes ...[text shortened]... can defend it, you shouldn't lose this (I won't point out the blunder, we both know)!
GAME 2 answers:
10....Nxd4 (you are right here, I only did it because I had some blinding moment and I thought I trap the knight...I did not see it can go to b1....Nf6 (with its plan) looks better for me also now)

Regarding Ba6xc4 plan:
I do not like his knight to come to e5 or b6(with fork) , so I felt it is too strong and I need to get rid of it...I do not see any other worth plan here....

Qa7 ?
Ok, I did not see this ....Ne6 plan, I want to check it deeper today at home...I am not confident I can defend in your line d5 pawn after white enters with the Q at b5 and trades the queens...I need to check it...



ok, 53 g6 was not my mistake 🙂...my big problem with this game was my difficult position up to that point...

by the way, probably 61...Ne2+ followed by Nc3 was =+ ...

you are right about the last part, we both know...

So, what would you sugest instead of Ba6xc4 plan ?

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Junior likes ...Qa6! instead of ...Ba6, and after Bd3 d5 Ne5 Qd6, with Black breaking up Whites center. It should be pretty obvious that you're playing for ...d5 in that position. Anyway, the real mistake was ...Nxd4 in my opinion, and most everything after that is beyond the realm of helping you with the Anti-Sicilians and more with your general chess!

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Originally posted by !~TONY~!
Junior likes ...Qa6! instead of ...Ba6, and after Bd3 d5 Ne5 Qd6, with Black breaking up Whites center. It should be pretty obvious that you're playing for ...d5 in that position. Anyway, the real mistake was ...Nxd4 in my opinion, and most everything after that is beyond the realm of helping you with the Anti-Sicilians and more with your general chess!
anyway, this Qa6 is not easy to see...me as a human fastly reject Qa6 Bd3....

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What about KIA as white vs the scillian?

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Originally posted by vipiu
I have many lost games as black in closed sicilian, is any strong player that can see some games of mine(about 5) and tell me some main plans/ideas that I can no in order to improve this opening as black ?
Where are these 5 games? People cannot yet mind read you know.

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Originally posted by Jie
Where are these 5 games? People cannot yet mind read you know.
actually I counted them again and there are only 4...and one of them I can not find the magazine where it was printed out....and 3 are already posted....

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Originally posted by najdorfslayer


I used to play the old fianchetto system.1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.0-0 0-0 6.d3 d6 etc.
I don't get it. You can't castle on move 5 for either side.
Am I missing something?

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Interesting for the Black is the algorithm 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 e6 3 g3 d5 4.exd5 exd5 5.Bg2 Nf6 6.Nge2 d4 7.Ne4 Nxe4 8.Bxe4 Nd7 9.0-0 Nf6 10Bg2 Bd6 11.c3 d3! While the White tries to control d5 giving up d4, the Black occupies the centre;

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Originally posted by Nowakowski
I don't get it. You can't castle on move 5 for either side.
Am I missing something?
In this variation the White achieves slight but lasting advantages, therefore as Black I would avoid it. I always try not to react symmetrically;

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Originally posted by Nowakowski
I don't get it. You can't castle on move 5 for either side.
Am I missing something?
Yes I am an idiot

1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.d3 d6 6.f4 e6 7.Nf3 Nge7 8.0-0 0-0



This is what I meant

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Originally posted by najdorfslayer
Yes I am an idiot

1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.d3 d6 6.f4 e6 7.Nf3 Nge7 8.0-0 0-0

[fen]r1bq1rk1/pp2npbp/2npp1p1/2p5/4PP2/2NP1NP1/PPP3BP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - 0 1[/fen]

This is what I meant
Good information. BTW wasn't trying to demean you, just couldn't understand how that position could arise, and i was trying to learn some theory...