Originally posted by saffa73That's true, but I've always thought their names should be switched.
Why are you all going on about Fool's Mate?
Fool's mate is 1 f3...e5 2 g4...Qh4++
I'm sure you mean Scholar's Mate - Qh5 and Bc4 to mate on f7...
1. f3 e5 2. g4 Qh4# and variants (1.f4, or 1.g4 and so on) are the Fool's Mate but should, I think, be called the Scholar's Mate. Why? Because it's not likely to occur in a real game, and knowing the sequence is more academic than practical. Academic . . . hence, Scholar's Mate.
On the other hand, the so-called Scholar's Mate finds practical application daily in its actual employment by and against fools. So it makes sense to call the e4, Bc4, Qh5, Qxf7# sequence Fool's Mate, or perhaps Fools' Mate 😀
Originally posted by buddy2That depends on when you play ...Nf6!
When people used to try stuff like that on me, I'd bring out my old horse and plunk it on f6. It develops a piece and stops all that silly queen-bishop nonsense (unless he wants to lose it, that is.)
1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 Nf6? 3. Qxe5+ is clearly not good.
1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 Nc6! 3. Bc4 Nf6?? 4. Qxf7# and the Knight was too late.
1. e4 Nf6 is of course adequate, but not necessary 😉
After 1. e4 e5 2. Qh5? Nc6 3. Bc4 g6! then if 4. Qf3, 4...Nf6 is well-timed and, IMO, the best move available. I don't remember who, but someone here argued with me that 4...f6? is better 😕
Originally posted by huntingbearI might give up a pawn for a couple of tempos against such a player.
That depends on when you play ...Nf6!
1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 Nf6? 3. Qxe5+ is clearly not good.
1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 Nc6! 3. Bc4 Nf6?? 4. Qxf7# and the Knight was too late.
1. e4 Nf6 is of course adequate, but not necessary 😉
After 1. e4 e5 2. Qh5? Nc6 3. Bc4 g6! then if 4. Qf3, 4...Nf6 is well-timed and, IMO, the best move available. I don't remember who, but someone here argued with me that 4...f6? is better 😕
After 2 ... Nf6 3. Qxe5+ Be7
The game could continue 4. Nc3 Nc6 5. Qg3 0-0 and Black is way ahead in development.
Originally posted by lucifershammerI doubt that after 6.e5 black is that far ahead in development. He can give back the pawn. Just one line: 6. ... Ne8 7.Bb5 Nd4 8.Bd3 d6 9.Nf3 Nxf3 10.Qxf3 dxe5 11.0-0 and the position is at least equal for white. Of course, your point is that a whiteplayer who plays 2.Qh5 will probably not want to give back a pawn .
I might give up a pawn for a couple of tempos against such a player.
After 2 ... Nf6 3. Qxe5+ Be7
The game could continue 4. Nc3 Nc6 5. Qg3 0-0 and Black is way ahead in development.
Besides that, white has better than 4.Nc3. What about 4.Qf4!
Originally posted by Mephisto2Of course, if white has to return the pawn to obtain equality, then the gambit has worked. 😉
I doubt that after 6.e5 black is that far ahead in development. He can give back the pawn. Just one line: 6. ... Ne8 7.Bb5 Nd4 8.Bd3 d6 9.Nf3 Nxf3 10.Qxf3 dxe5 11.0-0 and the position is at least equal for white. Of course, your point is that a whiteplayer who plays 2.Qh5 will probably not want to give back a pawn .
Besides that, white has better than 4.Nc3. What about 4.Qf4!
Btw, what about 4. Qf4!? Am I missing something here? Wouldn't Nc6 or d6 (or even d5!) take care of that?
Originally posted by Mephisto2Only one way to find out if my hypothesis will hold
I don't think so. In both cases (Nc6 or d5) white plays 5.e5. And after d6, 5.d4 or 5.Nf3, are healthy development moves.
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Originally posted by AJMagicmanHasn't anyone mentioned that the name gives it away.
Hi guys! I'm Aj.
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I just want to give everyone a quick tip that I alwals Do.
Whenever I'm black and my oponent is white, I always try to block him as well as I can.
That's why I came up with a way to block my op ...[text shortened]... k me hours to discover. 🙂
So...
What do you guys think?
Anyone who has to work that hard to avoid Fool's Mate...well...let's not be cruel but...maybe just a novice and not really a fool