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i once read that if a pawn gets to the end under the rules of the game the player can choose not to have it promoted; however, every computer game i've ever play doesnt give you the option to leave the pawn as a pawn; is this rule true?

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i once promoted my pawn to a napkin. it gets to move twice a turn.

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Besides why would you choose not to promote it? It would be about as usefull as a sentry standing with his nose to the wall.

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Originally posted by AlphaAlekhine
Besides why would you choose not to promote it? It would be about as usefull as a sentry standing with his nose to the wall.
Maybe because you could force stalemate with immovable piece sometimes, and lose otherwise?

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Originally posted by ilywrin
Maybe because you could force stalemate with immovable piece sometimes, and lose otherwise?
No,
If either a bishop, queen and rook would cause stalemate then knight would not and vice versa

I don't think you could craft a position where any promotion means a stalemate.

Unless you wanted a stalemate and your only legal move was promoting but that's not smart either since a new queen could let you draw or win too

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There used to be a rule where a pawn could be left unpromoted when it reached the eighth rank. It was called a "dummy pawn". Here is a puzzle constructed by the great American puzzle composer Sam Loyd which utilizes this strange rule:
http://www.silcom.com/~barnowl/Sam_Loyd's_Dummy_Promotion.html

This rule was done away with in 1903, soon after Steinitz, who was a fan of it, died.

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my question wasnt why would you not want to promote it, my question was can you choose not to promote it

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Originally posted by rooktakesqueen
my question wasnt why would you not want to promote it, my question was can you choose not to promote it
The answer is simply - no.

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Originally posted by rooktakesqueen
i once read that if a pawn gets to the end under the rules of the game the player can choose not to have it promoted; however, every computer game i've ever play doesnt give you the option to leave the pawn as a pawn; is this rule true?
I don't think so. 'cause whoever heard of a pawn that moved backwards?
It'd just sit there on the 8th rank; trying too look all cute and everything.
Hoping no one captures it. 🙂

-- Paul (Pavlo87)

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it would be interested in a club game, if you were winning anyway and you still got a pawn to the end, if you stated you wished to promote the pawn to a dummy pawn if they would allow it

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Originally posted by rooktakesqueen
it would be interested in a club game, if you were winning anyway and you still got a pawn to the end, if you stated you wished to promote the pawn to a dummy pawn if they would allow it
I would guess that 99% of club players would look at you funny and say no. The other 1% of us would tell you that rule died over 100 years ago, so no. 🙂

As someone said though, there were some pretty good compositions that utilized the dummy pawn to draw via stalemates. Not much use in practical play though.

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Originally posted by Fat Lady
There used to be a rule where a pawn could be left unpromoted when it reached the eighth rank. It was called a "dummy pawn". Here is a puzzle constructed by the great American puzzle composer Sam Loyd which utilizes this strange rule:
http://www.silcom.com/~barnowl/Sam_Loyd's_Dummy_Promotion.html

This rule was done away with in 1903, soon after Steinitz, who was a fan of it, died.
I would just like to post an exerpt from that link.

"If the option had always been available to "promote" a Pawn to a Dummy Pawn, this would probably never have been a good choice in all the games of chess that have ever been played."

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