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connerac

Only Chess

27 Oct 05 14:39

znsho

Joined: 03 Oct 05
Moves: 86698

27 Oct 05 22:18

I even said that White has to be careful!!!!!

whitedeerwithnohorns

Wales

Joined: 24 Nov 03
Moves: 10406

27 Oct 05 22:40

Originally posted by Wulebgr
*Sigh*

but it must do so from the second rank.

*sighs* it can do it from the h file just as well.

Rebounder

Joined: 19 Oct 05
Moves: 926

27 Oct 05 23:16

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Originally posted by whitedeerwithnohorns
Rh2, after the king moves just use the rook to check the king along the H file. If the king captures the rook then its stalemate, if it doesnt the rook can keep checking.

What about Qh3. That flushes the king out because if whit blocks with the rook then Qf1 is checkmate.

zanussi

Joined: 14 Sep 04
Moves: 153936

27 Oct 05 23:33

Originally posted by connerac
Do good players just resign when they have a king and a bishop or knight and they're fighting a queen? What's the general way of going for stale-mate? Is it to head for a corner with all pieces?

I'm not looking for help on a particular game :-)

Queen vs bishop is a relatively easy win
Queen vs Knight is a win but more tricky due to risk of forks

In both cases against a good player (>1800) they are resignable positions

To try and drag it out don't head to the corners this will just restrict your movement and make mate more likely

Queen vs rook is also a win but difficult. Against a weak or average player you might be able to hold out for the 50 move rule and claim a draw

Rebounder

Joined: 19 Oct 05
Moves: 926

27 Oct 05 23:41

So what about it?

whitedeerwithnohorns

Wales

Joined: 24 Nov 03
Moves: 10406

28 Oct 05 00:22

Originally posted by Rebounder
What about Qh3. That flushes the king out because if whit blocks with the rook then Qf1 is checkmate.

Ok white to move......

1.Rh2+ Kg7 2.Rh7+ Kf6 3.Rh6+ Ke5 4.Rh5+ Kf4 5.Rh4+ Kg5 6.Rh5+ Kf6 7.Rh6+ Kf5 etc etc etc 8.Rh5+ Kf4 9.Rh4+ Kg3 10.Rh3+ Kxh3 the king has to take or the queen hangs
½-½

Wulebgr

Angler

River City

Joined: 08 Dec 04
Moves: 16907

28 Oct 05 14:39

Originally posted by whitedeerwithnohorns
Ok white to move......

1.Rh2+ Kg7 2.Rh7+ Kf6 3.Rh6+ Ke5 4.Rh5+ Kf4 5.Rh4+ Kg5 6.Rh5+ Kf6 7.Rh6+ Kf5 etc etc etc 8.Rh5+ Kf4 9.Rh4+ Kg3 10.Rh3+ Kxh3 the king has to take or the queen hangs
½-½

I'm not convinced the h-file works.

1. Rh2+ Kg7 2. Rh7+ Kf6 3. Rh6+ Ke5 4. Rh5+ Kd6! (4... Kf4 is not the best move here) 5. Rh6+ Kc5 6.Rh5+ Kb4 7. Rh4+ Ka3 -+

whitedeerwithnohorns

Wales

Joined: 24 Nov 03
Moves: 10406

28 Oct 05 19:15

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
I'm not convinced the h-file works.

1. Rh2+ Kg7 2. Rh7+ Kf6 3. Rh6+ Ke5 4. Rh5+ Kd6! (4... Kf4 is not the best move here) 5. Rh6+ Kc5 6.Rh5+ Kb4 7. Rh4+ Ka3 -+

[fen]8/8/8/8/7R/kq6/8/K7 w - - 0 8[/fen]

1. Rh2+ Kg7 2. Rh7+ Kf6 3. Rh6+ Ke5 4. Rh5+ Kd6! 5. Rh6+ Kc5 6.Rh5+ Kb4 (7.Rb5+)

½-½

7. Rh4+?? Ka3 -+

Wulebgr

Angler

River City

Joined: 08 Dec 04
Moves: 16907

28 Oct 05 19:27

Originally posted by whitedeerwithnohorns
1. Rh2+ Kg7 2. Rh7+ Kf6 3. Rh6+ Ke5 4. Rh5+ Kd6! 5. Rh6+ Kc5 6.Rh5+ Kb4 (7.Rb5+)

[fen]8/8/8/1R6/1k6/1q6/8/K7 b - - 0 7 [/fen]

½-½

7. Rh4+?? Ka3 -+

Now your analysis is more convincing. Thanks.