1. The Ghost Bishop
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    13 Oct '11 10:00
    Originally posted by tvochess
    [fen] 8/8/pP1P3K/k2r4/Pp6/1P6/1P2R3/8 w - - 0 1[/fen]

    Is this what you meant?
    HO! Good on you mate! That is the very one! Now I'm certain somewhere in one of my lifers magazines I saw a rook and bishop problem of similar value to this. Its indeed the one that reminds me most of the problem we see at the beginning of this article. I'll keep looking for it tonight. I'll find it! This one here though is very much alike the one I'm looking for. I do however remember very well that this baby stressed me much more. Thanks tvochess for getting this right. Very handy those diagrams!

    Q
  2. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    13 Oct '11 12:352 edits
    Here's my try at winning for white:

  3. The Ghost Bishop
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    13 Oct '11 20:21
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    Here's my try at winning for white:

    [pgn]
    [Event "Edited position"]
    [Site "VINCENT"]
    [Date "2011.10.13"]
    [Round "-"]
    [White "-"]
    [Black "-"]
    [Result "*"]
    [FEN "8/8/pP1P3K/k2r4/Pp6/1P6/1P2R3/8 w - - 0 1"]
    [SetUp "1"]

    1. Re5 Rxe5 2. d7 Rd5 3. b7 Rxd7 4. b8=Q Rh7+ {Desperado time} 5. Kg5 Rg7+ 6. Kh4 Rh7+ 7.Kg3 Rg7+ 8. Kh2 Rh7+ 9. Kg2 Rg7+ 10. ...[text shortened]... 12. Kf4 Ka5 13. Ke4 Kb6 14. Kd4 Ka5 15. Kc4 Kb6 16. Kxb4 a5+ 17. Kc4
    [/pgn]
    A fair try indeed Mr. Gambit. I did find the proper puzzle earlier this morning. So perhaps I should lend a hand with this one. Spoiler alert - if you happen to still be working on this then you will not want to continue on with this article. Remember to go for that sneaky stalemate my friends!

    1 Re5! Rxe5 2 d7 ... and to this point your exactly correct. Whats missed is that black has the chance for a stalemate. 2 ...Re6+ 3 Kg5! (This is very important later) Rxb6... Now with the rook on b6 if white makes the ho hum d8/Q then its actually d8/Q= !!! So what must white do? I'm glad your wondering! Black dominates the rook with 4 d8/N!! (mutual zugzwang do note!) and thanks to the quiet 3 Kg5 the rook has NO safe square! Rb8(d6) 5 Nc6(b7) and wins.

    Q
  4. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    13 Oct '11 20:471 edit
    Originally posted by PhySiQ
    A fair try indeed Mr. Gambit. I did find the proper puzzle earlier this morning. So perhaps I should lend a hand with this one. Spoiler alert - if you happen to still be working on this then you will not want to continue on with this article. Remember to go for that sneaky stalemate my friends!

    1 Re5! Rxe5 2 d7 ... and to this point your exactly corr !) and thanks to the quiet 3 Kg5 the rook has NO safe square! Rb8(d6) 5 Nc6(b7) and wins.

    Q


    Nice finish.
  5. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    13 Oct '11 20:521 edit
    One other line for the R desperado:

  6. The Ghost Bishop
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    13 Oct '11 21:11
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    One other line for the R desperado:

    [pgn]
    [Event "Edited position"]
    [Site "VINCENT"]
    [Date "2011.10.13"]
    [Round "-"]
    [White "-"]
    [Black "-"]
    [Result "*"]
    [FEN "8/8/pP1P3K/k2r4/Pp6/1P6/1P2R3/8 w - - 0 1"]
    [SetUp "1"]
    1. Re5 Rxe5 2. d7 Rd5 3. b7 Rxd7 4. b8=Q Rh7+ 5. Kg5 Rh5+ 6. Kg4 Rh4+ 7.Kg3 Rh3+ 8. Kg2 {and wQ will eat the Rook if it checks on h2/g3}
    [/pgn]
    Your certainly right Mr. Gambit! That is also winning for white. You have discussed two important concepts here. I have yet another line that illustrates both. 1. Re5 Rxe5 2. d7 Rd5 3. b7 Rxd7 4. b8=Q... Black is clearly lost without playing the checking moves. Therefore Rd6+ 5. Kg5 Rg6+ 6. Kf5 Rf6+ 7. Ke4...and here white follows Rf4(Re6) Qxf4(Qe5!).

    Q
  7. The Ghost Bishop
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    13 Oct '11 21:35
    OK then. Now that the former puzzle is solved and out of the way.. I would like to share another with you. This puzzle I think will capture your attention Mr. Gambit! I will list the game in Algebraic Notation with hopes that someone can help me with one of your diagrams? White to move and win!
    White: Ka7, Rd6, e6
    Black: Kc8, Rf6, Bb2

    Q
  8. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    13 Oct '11 22:12
    Originally posted by PhySiQ
    OK then. Now that the former puzzle is solved and out of the way.. I would like to share another with you. This puzzle I think will capture your attention Mr. Gambit! I will list the game in Algebraic Notation with hopes that someone can help me with one of your diagrams? White to move and win!
    White: Ka7, Rd6, e6
    Black: Kc8, Rf6, Bb2

    Q
  9. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    13 Oct '11 23:00
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    [fen]2k5/K7/3RPr2/8/8/8/1b6/8 b - - 0 1[/fen]
    Why not just 1.e7 Rxd6 2.e8Q Kc7 3.Qb8+ Kc6 4.Qxb2 winning the Bishop?
  10. The Ghost Bishop
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    13 Oct '11 23:081 edit
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    Why not just 1.e7 Rxd6 2.e8Q Kc7 3.Qb8+ Kc6 4.Qxb2 winning the Bishop?
    Great question SG. Why should black cater to whites plans? 1 e7 Bd4... (corrected with an edit)

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  11. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    13 Oct '11 23:19
    Originally posted by PhySiQ
    Great question SG. Why should black cater to whites plans? 1 e7 Rxd6 2 Bd4...
    2.e8Q+ is check. Black doesn't get to play Bd4. Am I missing something?!
  12. The Ghost Bishop
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    13 Oct '11 23:241 edit
    No no... I'm sorry that is certainly my mistake Mr. Gambit... 1. e7 Bd4 should be blacks move.... I apologize I'm not sure what got into me there. Retyped your proposal by accident. Must have been off in la la land.

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  13. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    13 Oct '11 23:32
    Originally posted by PhySiQ
    No no... I'm sorry that is certainly my mistake Mr. Gambit... 1. e7 Bd4 should be blacks move.... I apologize I'm not sure what got into me there. Retyped your proposal by accident. Must have been off in la la land.

    Q
    No problem.

    OK, so now I want to try

  14. The Ghost Bishop
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    13 Oct '11 23:40
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    No problem.

    OK, so now I want to try

    [pgn]
    [Event "Edited game"]
    [Site ""]
    [Date "2011.10.13"]
    [Round "-"]
    [White "-"]
    [Black "-"]
    [Result "*"]
    [FEN "2k5/K7/3RPr2/8/8/8/1b6/8 w - - 0 1"]
    [SetUp "1"]
    1. e7 Bd4+ 2. Rxd4 Re6 3. Rd8+ Kc7 4. e8=R {! Not 4.e8Q?? Ra6+ forcing stalemate}
    [/pgn]
    Flawless! You have got it Mr. Gambit. Great job! I always have trouble looking for the stalemates in endgames.

    Q
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    Originally posted by PhySiQ
    Flawless! You have got it Mr. Gambit. Great job! I always have trouble looking for the stalemates in endgames.

    Q
    How can white tackle 1. e7 Rf7?

    - Moving the king out of the 7th rank results in Rxe7 and black is better.
    - The pawn can't be moved.
    - 2. Rd7 Kxd7 and 2. Re6 Ba2/Bf6 seem to remove the white pawn as well
    - another rook move will lead to Rxe7
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