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  1. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    29 Nov '12 11:27 / 2 edits
    [Event "Challenge"]
    [Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
    [Date "2012.04.28"]
    [EndDate "2012.05.08"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "RJHinds"]
    [Black "jcmessy"]
    [WhiteRating "2261"]
    [BlackRating "1663"]
    [WhiteElo "2261"]
    [BlackElo "1663"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [GameId "9244964"]




    I learned to play against the Caro Kann in Germany at the Bundespost when I was stationed over there while in the USArmy. I used to play a German by the name of Hans Fries (not sure of the spelling of last name) that played the Caro Kann defense against me all the time. I finally got used to it after getting beat with it so many times.
  2. Standard member kingshill
    Mr Ring Rusty
    29 Nov '12 15:01
    It's obvious from this game that JCM is NOT a 2300 player despite what he states in his posts.
  3. Standard member ChessPraxis
    Cowboy From Hell
    29 Nov '12 19:00
    To me c7 looks like a natural harbor for the King.
  4. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    29 Nov '12 22:11
    Originally posted by ChessPraxis
    To me c7 looks like a natural harbor for the King.
    If he wanted to just play defensive, he might have got away with that if he had moved there on move 17.
  5. Standard member ChessPraxis
    Cowboy From Hell
    30 Nov '12 04:47
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    If he wanted to just play defensive, he might have got away with that if he had moved there on move 17.
    Mr Magoo is somewhat passive.
  6. 30 Nov '12 04:48
    Game 9244964
    Below are my Alternative Analysis of the game:

    <Diagram #1> Position after 3..Nc3

    [The alternative 3..Nf6; 4.e5 Ne4; (4.exd5 Nxd5) 5.Nxe4 dxe4; 6.Ng5 Qd5
    give White no initiative.]


    Game 9244964 Diag. #2 Position after 4.Nxe4

    [4..Bf5; 5.Ng3 Bg6; 6.h4 h6; 7.d4 Nf6; 8.h5 Bh7; 9.Bd3 e6! gives black roughly equal.]


    Game 9244964 Diag.#3 Position after 7.Bd3

    [Better was 7..0-0!; 8.0-0 Nd7; with the idea of 9..Re8; 10..Nf8.]


    Game 9244964 Diag. #4 Position after 13.0-0

    [Better was 13..Re8; 14.Re1+ Kf8; 15.Bd2 Nd7 again with roughly equal.]


    Game 9244964 Diag. #5 Position after 15.Bc4

    [The immediate 15..Re8!; was the correct move. After 16.Bd2 Re7. followed by
    17..b5; 18..Nb6 etc..]

    Game 9244964 Diag. #6 Position after 16.Bd2

    better was..16..b5!


    Game 9244964 Diag. #7 Position after 25.Bf4

    [better was 25..Rae8; 26.Rxe8 Nxe8; 27.d5 c5; 28.Bc4 Nd6 and black hold the position.]


    Game 9244964 Diag. #8 Position after 27.d6

    [Better was 27..Bd8; if 28.Bd5 Rb8; 29.Bxe4 fxe4 with equal chances on both sides.
    30.Rxe4 Rxb2; 31.Be5 Rb4.]


    Game 9244964 Diag. #9 Position after 28.Bc1

    [28..Bd8!!; 29.f3 Nxd6; 30.Rd5 Rb8; 31.Bc4 Kc6!; (32.b3 Nxc4; 33.bxc4 Rb4 with
    strong counterplay.) 32.Be3 Nxc4; 33.Rxc5+ Kd6.]


    Game 9244964 Diag. #10 Position after 30.Bg5

    [ Better was 30..Rde8; and if 31.Rxe8 then Rxe8; 32.Bxf7 Re2+ gives black a good counterplay.]

    Good Work RJHinds
  7. 30 Nov '12 05:10 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by jcmessy
    Game 9244964
    Below are my Alternative Analysis of the game:

    <Diagram #1> Position after 3..Nc3
    [fen]rnbqkbnr/pp2pppp/2p5/8/4p3/2N2N2/PPPP1PPP/R1BQKB1R w - - 0 3[/fen]
    [The alternative 3..Nf6; 4.e5 Ne4; (4.exd5 Nxd5) 5.Nxe4 dxe4; 6.Ng5 Qd5
    give White no initiative.]


    Game 9244964 Diag. #2 Position after 4.Nxe4
    [fen]rnbqkbnr/pp2pppp ...[text shortened]... and if 31.Rxe8 then Rxe8; 32.Bxf7 Re2+ gives black a good counterplay.]

    Good Work RJHinds

    "4..Bf5; 5.Ng3 Bg6; 6.h4 h6; 7.d4 Nf6; 8.h5 Bh7; 9.Bd3 e6! gives black roughly equal."

    You were off on this one. 4. ... Bf5 is not considered good against this system (I think all the way back to an old Lasker analysis).





    Edit: And if 7. ... Qd6 8.Nxg6 (if there isn't something better) at least wins the two bishops. 4. ... Bf5 isn't even in ECO.

    Take my word on 4. ... Bf5, I'm 3200 OTB.
  8. 30 Nov '12 05:52 / 1 edit
    This the Position after 7..Qd6; 8.Nxg6 Qxg6:

    I had probably seen a position like this short years back.
    But since I am not a bookish player, but rather practical,
    I would like to ask a question if I may.
    So my Question is.. Who stands better?
    White Position or Black's Position?
    and Why?
  9. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    30 Nov '12 05:56
    Originally posted by jcmessy
    Game 9244964
    Below are my Alternative Analysis of the game:

    <Diagram #1> Position after 3..Nc3
    [fen]rnbqkbnr/pp2pppp/2p5/8/4p3/2N2N2/PPPP1PPP/R1BQKB1R w - - 0 3[/fen]
    [The alternative 3..Nf6; 4.e5 Ne4; (4.exd5 Nxd5) 5.Nxe4 dxe4; 6.Ng5 Qd5
    give White no initiative.]


    Game 9244964 Diag. #2 Position after 4.Nxe4
    [fen]rnbqkbnr/pp2pppp ...[text shortened]... and if 31.Rxe8 then Rxe8; 32.Bxf7 Re2+ gives black a good counterplay.]

    Good Work RJHinds
    It is good that you found more ways that you might improve the next time. When Mr. Fries kept beating me, I would try to figure out my mistake and try to come up with something better the next time. The caro Kann is the only defense he ever played against my king pawn opening, which was the only opening I was playing at the time.
  10. 30 Nov '12 06:05
    Originally posted by jcmessy
    This the Position after 7..Qd6; 8.Nxg6 Qxg6:
    [fen]rn2kbnr/pp2ppp1/2p3qp/8/7P/6N1/PPPP1PP1/R1BQKB1R w - - 0 8[/fen]
    I had probably seen a position like this short years back.
    But since I am not a bookish player, but rather practical,
    I would like to ask a question if I may.
    So my Question is.. Who stands better?
    White Position or Black's Position?
    Qd6 is a pure computer move. Most players would know that the line is refuted and not touch it. Then, a computer comes along with a new move (Qd6) and makes it look playable again.

    I think here, the old evaluation of advantage to white still holds. Nxg6 Qxg6 gives white the two bishops. Also, black's queen may turn out be exposed later (already Bd3 will gain time OR h5 will clamp the kingside a little with tempo). If unlucky, she might even end up trapped.

    The long term advantage of the two bishops is something that a computer won't realize (possibly). In fact, computers can get away with giving away long term advantages due to very deep (and strong) analysis of positions. The snag in that is a human against another human isn't going to be able to calculate 10 or so forcing moves ahead and keep the disadvantage to a minimum. Humans learn to go for these long term advantages and try to convert them.

    This is just my view on why you can't always rely on a computer's move.

    White has to be better here.
  11. 30 Nov '12 06:16 / 2 edits
    Mr RJHinds, As I have said, I am not a bookish, but rather a practical Player.
    I just found out that they are making fun of what I have said to you about my OTB
    Rating in the past. It really makes me wonder why people has to make fun of it.
    I don't brag about it. I just tells the truth. [That is the reason why I prefer to play
    players of @ least 100 more over my RHP rating.
    The good thing though, It don't bother me. They will probably believe me if I will start
    touching my pieces too, when I played against those that try to mock me.
    the problem with touching the pieces is that, it will not maintain or grow your
    Visual Photographic Memory I will not trade wasting my training time just for the
    sake of ego... That's foolish. They can have my points.
    I will stick to no touching of Pieces training. That's what i paid for, here to train myself.
  12. 30 Nov '12 06:25 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by jcmessy
    Mr RJHinds, As I have said, [b]I am not a bookish, but rather a practical Player.
    I just found out that they are making fun of what I have said to you about my OTB
    Rating in the past. It really makes me wonder why people has to make fun of it.
    I don't brag about it. I just tells the truth. [That is the reason why I prefer to play
    players of @ lea will stick to no touching of Pieces training. That's what i paid for, here to train myself.[/b]
    "
    Mr RJHinds, As I have said, I am not a bookish, but rather a practical Player.
    I just found out that they are making fun of what I have said to you about my OTB
    Rating in the past. It really makes me wonder why people has to make fun of it.
    I don't brag about it. I just tells the truth. [That is the reason why I prefer to play
    players of @ least 100 more over my RHP rating.
    The good thing though, It don't bother me. They will probably believe me if I will start
    touching my pieces too, when I played against those that try to mock me.
    the problem with touching the pieces is that, it will not maintain or grow your
    Visual Photographic Memory I will not trade wasting my training time just for the
    sake of ego... That's foolish. They can have my points.
    I will stick to no touching of Pieces training. That's what i paid for, here to train myself."

    No Real Reply ... I just didn't want this edited out later. LOL
  13. 30 Nov '12 06:26
    This the Position before 7..Qd6; 8.Nxg6 Qxg6:

    I had probably seen a position like this short years back.
    But since I am not a bookish player, but rather practical,

    without 7..Qd6 how else would you parry the threat of 8.Nxg6??
    and Why?
  14. 30 Nov '12 06:38 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by jcmessy
    This the Position before 7..Qd6; 8.Nxg6 Qxg6:
    [fen]rn1qkbnr/pp2ppp1/2p3bp/8/7P/6N1/PPPP1PP1/R1BQKB1R w - - 0 8[/fen]
    I had probably seen a position like this short years back.
    But since I am not a bookish player, but rather practical,

    [b]without 7..Qd6
    how else would you parry the threat of 8.Nxg6??
    and Why?[/b]
    The old way (which I posted above) was Bh7. Neither Bh7 nor Qd6 are particularly good. That's why you shouldn't play 4. ... Bf5. The main variation against the two knights is 3. ...Bg4. I imagine 3. ... dxe4 is playable though (just not with Bf5). Even without studying theory, a study of Fischer's games would show 3. ... Bg4 as a playable move. (Fischer used the Two Knights' almost exclusively at one period in his career.) I would expect a 2300 to know some of this stuff, but I guess you could get there without studying basic opening theory OR Fischer.

    The problem is that you can't keep letting gaps in your chess knowledge be exposed AND expect people to believe you are 2300.

    The technique in the game at the beginning of this thread is pretty poor also.

    A few more examples like this and your credibility will be in the same boat as RJ's (hence the comparison in the other thread).

    You can't reach a goal that takes many years of hard work and not have quite a bit of knowledge stored up. Simply pounding out strong moves isn't enough.
  15. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    30 Nov '12 07:24
    Originally posted by jcmessy
    Mr RJHinds, As I have said, [b]I am not a bookish, but rather a practical Player.
    I just found out that they are making fun of what I have said to you about my OTB
    Rating in the past. It really makes me wonder why people has to make fun of it.
    I don't brag about it. I just tells the truth. [That is the reason why I prefer to play
    players of @ lea ...[text shortened]... will stick to no touching of Pieces training. That's what i paid for, here to train myself.[/b]
    You may be right about the visual memory training thing. It is just so much easier for me to move the pieces around to see what is going to happen than get so tired by trying to remember where everything is supposed to have moved. It is so much quicker and clearer to determine my best plan too. What looks good at one point may not look so good a few moves later in the variation, because you did not really see it and certainly not from the opponents point of view. In OTB play I certainly don't spend much time planning my opponents best moves.