for the ones who have Caro-Kann defence in thei...

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masscat

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05 May 06 16:10

Originally posted by savcalin
nobody listen to me because i can't be understand what a drama...🙂

I understand what you are saying, but don't agree. Some VERY good players have used the CK. I'm not going to argue with grandmasters until I get a few more rating points.

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hypermo2001

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05 May 06 19:17

Originally posted by fierytorment
I find the caro-kahn can morph into the french if forced by white.....

c6 is much more simpler than playing c5 against e4 for the most part

in what line does this morphing into the french occur?? sounds wrong to me.

hypermo2001

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05 May 06 19:41

can anyone explain this morph to the french comment?

masscat

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05 May 06 20:53

This isn't a French, but the resemblance was enough to get me upset for not choosing a different move order.

Uniquegambit (1640) -Tartajubow (2140)
Chessworld, 2006
1.e4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 e6 5.d4 Nc6 6.Bb5 Qb6

Gazr

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08 May 06 21:19

Originally posted by savcalin
caro-kann is the most stupid defence of all...
just tell me it isn't so!!!
and why...!

Originally posted by savcalin
caro-kann is the most stupid defence of all...
just tell me it isn't so!!!
and why...!
because its very solid and incredibly frustrating for white to play against. Basically black hits white's centre with d5 and then tries to get white to overextend with ideas like c4 and f6 later in the game.

Then again, if it doesn't suit your style ...

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Quarantined World

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08 May 06 21:46

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Originally posted by hypermo2001
can anyone explain this morph to the french comment?

It can happen if white plays the Fantasy variation: 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. f3 e6 4. Nc3 Nf3 5. e5 Ne7 6. f4 c5 is the Steinitz variation of the French. eg. Game 1999342

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hypermo2001

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10 May 06 15:58

Originally posted by savcalin
there is something between caro and petrov?

somekind of "hybrid" opening?

I still don't get your problem with the Caro Kann...you must not understand it if you say it 'sucks' etc.

Maybe you can explain to Karpov and Botvinnik how dumb they were to use it in championship matches.

Anyway, try the Icelandic Gambit (a variation of the Scandinavian where you do not bring the queen out to recapture the pawn).

1. e4 d5 2. exd Nf6!

If white tries to keep the gambit pawn then all the fun starts

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masscat

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13 May 06 12:14

Originally posted by savcalin
i want some opinions about:
1.e4 e5 2.Cf3 d6 3.d5 ed5 4.Nd5 Bd7 5.Nc3 Nc6 etc.
with the idea 0-0-0.

maybe:6.Be2 Qe7 7.Nb5 0-0-0 8.Nd5 Qe4 9.f3 Qg6 10.g3 Ne7 11.Nbc7etc

the question is what can white do to prevent 0-0-0 ?

I am guessing this is what you mean.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 (Philidor's Defense) 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Bd7 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Be2 Nf6 7.0–0 Qe7 8.Ndb5 0–0–0 9.Nd5?
The P sacrifice looks unsound. White should play 9.Bg5 and Black has a cramped but playable position.

9...Qxe4 10.Bf3 Qg6 11.g3
This does not look good. 11.Bg5 and Black is cramped.

11...Ne7
Better is 11...Nxd5 12.Qxd5 a6 13.Nc3 (Not 13.Na7+ Kb8 14.Nxc6+ Bxc6) 13...Be6 Black is gaining the advantage.

12.Nbxc7
with the advantage

I didn’t spend a lot of time on this. I don't see any reason to prevent Black from playing ...O-O-O.