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Four knights defense.

Four knights defense.

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Originally posted by Dragon Fire
I am getting careless. That was a Morra Gambit.

This is the 4 Knights Game 3250671
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It looks like I know less about four knights than I thought.

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Originally posted by Daphnes
It looks like I know less about four knights than I thought.
Post some games that you feel are 4 knights and we will try and give you some pointers.

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post some more of yours???ill dig up some of mine..

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does this count???it transfers into it....Game 3562301

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i make some dummy mistakes at the end....dont count those....😳

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The 4 Knights usually comes about after the following moves.

1. e4 ... e5;
2. Nf3 ... nc6;
3. Nc3 ... Nf6;
4. Bb5 (see Game 3135252 or Game 2365283).

Technically 4. d4 (Game 2721327) or 4. g3 (Game 2226690)are also 4 Knights.

So it could easily transpose from a Ruy Lopez although after 3. Bb5 .. Nf6 perceived wisdom has the best continuation as being 4. 0-0.

Surprisingly
1. e4 ... e5;
2. Nf3 ... Nc6;
3. Bc4 ... Nf6;
4. Nc3
is known as the 2 Knights defense despite all 4 Knights also being developed by move 4. So I must apologise as the game I posted is actually a 2 Knights not a 4 Knights. These are 2 Knights (Game 3250284 and Game 3357451)

The English 4 Knights is also fairly common and is derived after:
1. c4 ... e5;
2. Nc3 ... Nf6;
3. Nf3 ... Nc6
and is a solid way to defend against the English although I failed in Game 2454801.

Just to confuse everyone a bittle further the moves
1. e4 ... e5;
2. Nf3 ... Nc6;
3. Nc3 and now 3. ... g6, 3. ... Bb4 or 3. ... Bc5 is known as the 3 Knights.
After 3. ... Bb4 the main line is 4. Nd5 Ba5, 5. Bc4 and now 5. ... Nf6 but this is not a 4 Knights.

[b]Of these openings the opening occuring most regularly is, of course, the 2 Knights (even when all 4 soon come out) and least common is the 3 Knights. The most popular line of the 2 Knights seems to be 4.Ng5 but that is a whole new book.

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why was the last one lost?

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Originally posted by jvanhine
why was the last one lost?
I resigned 2 pawns down in a hopeless position. To have continued to inevitible defeat would have been depressing.

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What do you guys think of the Glek Variation? 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.g3
d5 looks to be the best response, leading to a variation looking like 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. g3 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Bg2 Nxc3 7. bxc3 Bc5 8. O-O O-O 9. Re1
9 ...Re8 looks unfavorable after 10. d4 exd4 11. Rxe8+ Qxe8 12. cxd4 and I think white has a slight advantage. after Qf6, Tkachiev, it looks like both sides have equal counterplay 10. Rb1(preventing Bg4 or Bf5) Rb8 and I can't decide which would be better 11. d4 or 11. d3 intuitively d4 looks like it simplifies to early, and leaves white with a weaker pawn structure.

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Originally posted by Xpofer
What do you guys think of the Glek Variation? 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.g3
d5 looks to be the best response, leading to a variation looking like 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. g3 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Bg2 Nxc3 7. bxc3 Bc5 8. O-O O-O 9. Re1
9 ...Re8 looks unfavorable after 10. d4 exd4 11. Rxe8+ Qxe8 12. cxd4 and I think white has a slight advantage. a ...[text shortened]... ntuitively d4 looks like it simplifies to early, and leaves white with a weaker pawn structure.
I have only played 1 game against this line and Bc5 worked pretty well.

I don't know why but I seem to have a block about d5 in these sort of positions and can get frustrated (and blunder) in closed games that don't really suit my style. The only exceptions being when I am actually using and following a line in one of my opening books.

I must overcome this mental hurdle.

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Originally posted by Xpofer
What do you guys think of the Glek Variation? 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.g3
d5 looks to be the best response, leading to a variation looking like 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. g3 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Bg2 Nxc3 7. bxc3 Bc5 8. O-O O-O 9. Re1
9 ...Re8 looks unfavorable after 10. d4 exd4 11. Rxe8+ Qxe8 12. cxd4 and I think white has a slight advantage. a ...[text shortened]... ntuitively d4 looks like it simplifies to early, and leaves white with a weaker pawn structure.
After 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.g3 I would prefer 4...Bc5

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I think there's a game in the CM 10 tutorials where Josh Waitzkin plays the Glek Variation.

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Can you post the game?

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i would like to see this too.welcome to the nfl cub btw...