Four knights defense.

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
I am getting careless. That was a Morra Gambit.

This is the 4 Knights Game 3250671

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It looks like I know less about four knights than I thought.

Originally posted by Daphnes
It looks like I know less about four knights than I thought.

Post some games that you feel are 4 knights and we will try and give you some pointers.

post some more of yours???ill dig up some of mine..

does this count???it transfers into it....Game 3562301

i make some dummy mistakes at the end....dont count those....😳

The 4 Knights usually comes about after the following moves.

1. e4 ... e5;
2. Nf3 ... nc6;
3. Nc3 ... Nf6;
4. Bb5 (see Game 3135252 or Game 2365283).

Technically 4. d4 (Game 2721327) or 4. g3 (Game 2226690)are also 4 Knights.

So it could easily transpose from a Ruy Lopez although after 3. Bb5 .. Nf6 perceived wisdom has the best continuation as being 4. 0-0.

Surprisingly
1. e4 ... e5;
2. Nf3 ... Nc6;
3. Bc4 ... Nf6;
4. Nc3
is known as the 2 Knights defense despite all 4 Knights also being developed by move 4. So I must apologise as the game I posted is actually a 2 Knights not a 4 Knights. These are 2 Knights (Game 3250284 and Game 3357451)

The English 4 Knights is also fairly common and is derived after:
1. c4 ... e5;
2. Nc3 ... Nf6;
3. Nf3 ... Nc6
and is a solid way to defend against the English although I failed in Game 2454801.

Just to confuse everyone a bittle further the moves
1. e4 ... e5;
2. Nf3 ... Nc6;
3. Nc3 and now 3. ... g6, 3. ... Bb4 or 3. ... Bc5 is known as the 3 Knights.
After 3. ... Bb4 the main line is 4. Nd5 Ba5, 5. Bc4 and now 5. ... Nf6 but this is not a 4 Knights.

[b]Of these openings the opening occuring most regularly is, of course, the 2 Knights (even when all 4 soon come out) and least common is the 3 Knights. The most popular line of the 2 Knights seems to be 4.Ng5 but that is a whole new book.

why was the last one lost?

Originally posted by jvanhine
why was the last one lost?

I resigned 2 pawns down in a hopeless position. To have continued to inevitible defeat would have been depressing.

What do you guys think of the Glek Variation? 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.g3
d5 looks to be the best response, leading to a variation looking like 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. g3 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Bg2 Nxc3 7. bxc3 Bc5 8. O-O O-O 9. Re1
9 ...Re8 looks unfavorable after 10. d4 exd4 11. Rxe8+ Qxe8 12. cxd4 and I think white has a slight advantage. after Qf6, Tkachiev, it looks like both sides have equal counterplay 10. Rb1(preventing Bg4 or Bf5) Rb8 and I can't decide which would be better 11. d4 or 11. d3 intuitively d4 looks like it simplifies to early, and leaves white with a weaker pawn structure.

Originally posted by Xpofer
What do you guys think of the Glek Variation? 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.g3
d5 looks to be the best response, leading to a variation looking like 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. g3 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Bg2 Nxc3 7. bxc3 Bc5 8. O-O O-O 9. Re1
9 ...Re8 looks unfavorable after 10. d4 exd4 11. Rxe8+ Qxe8 12. cxd4 and I think white has a slight advantage. a ...[text shortened]... ntuitively d4 looks like it simplifies to early, and leaves white with a weaker pawn structure.

I have only played 1 game against this line and Bc5 worked pretty well.

I don't know why but I seem to have a block about d5 in these sort of positions and can get frustrated (and blunder) in closed games that don't really suit my style. The only exceptions being when I am actually using and following a line in one of my opening books.

I must overcome this mental hurdle.

Originally posted by Xpofer
What do you guys think of the Glek Variation? 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.g3
d5 looks to be the best response, leading to a variation looking like 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. g3 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Bg2 Nxc3 7. bxc3 Bc5 8. O-O O-O 9. Re1
9 ...Re8 looks unfavorable after 10. d4 exd4 11. Rxe8+ Qxe8 12. cxd4 and I think white has a slight advantage. a ...[text shortened]... ntuitively d4 looks like it simplifies to early, and leaves white with a weaker pawn structure.

After 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.g3 I would prefer 4...Bc5

I think there's a game in the CM 10 tutorials where Josh Waitzkin plays the Glek Variation.

Can you post the game?

i would like to see this too.welcome to the nfl cub btw...