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Originally posted by arrakisIf you go back to the full list I originally posted, you will see that the second strongest programme (behind the 64bit, dual processor Rybka 2.2) is the 32-bit, single processor Rybka 2.2. Fritz 10 is fifth.
Most people, including myself, don't have a 64 bit operating system. So if you buy a 64 bit Rybka 2.2 it might run on your computer, but it'll run in 32 bit code. Also, people need to be aware that the tests are done with dual processor machines. How many people here have a dual processor computer?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Rybka 2.2 isn't a itz shows the game. I'm certain any new program doesn't have those features.
Cheers
If you click on the name of this "weaker" Rybka (i.e. Rybka 2.2 w32 1CPU), it will show you its results against other engines.
Its current results against Fritz 10...
+37, =31, -12
I repeat - that's the SINGLE-PROCESSOR, 32-BIT VERSION of Rybka. That is the "entry level" version.
I accept there are many reasons for buying a particular chess engine, and Fritz has many attractions. At my level, I could get the same benefit from a couple of dozen strong engines, I guess, including freeware engines like Spike or Fruit.
But there's simply no doubt Rybka is currently by some margin the strongest chess engine in the world, and it doesn't look like Fritz is about to change that.
Originally posted by dottewellFritz gives better addons though - primarily a free year of Playchess. It's probably the one reason Fritz and co. dominate Rybka in sales.
If you go back to the full list I originally posted, you will see that the second strongest programme (behind the 64bit, dual processor Rybka 2.2) is the 32-bit, single processor Rybka 2.2. Fritz 10 is fifth.
If you click on the name of this "weaker" Rybka (i.e. Rybka 2.2 w32 1CPU), it will show you its results against other engines.
Its current resu ...[text shortened]... ongest chess engine in the world, and it doesn't look like Fritz is about to change that.
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Originally posted by cmsMasterYup, I agree with Arrakis on that, as I said.
Fritz gives better addons though - primarily a free year of Playchess. It's probably the one reason Fritz and co. dominate Rybka in sales.
And as I also said, at the level most of us are operating at here - including me - any one of a couple of dozen engines would be perfectly adequate for post-game analysis.
I merely pointed out that, in quantitative testing, Rybka 2.2 (even the single-processor, 32-bit version) is already comfortably outperforming Fritz 10.
Be interesting to see how much stronger Deep Fritz is than Fritz 10, though.
Originally posted by dottewellToday I set up engine matches with F9 v. Spike 1.2 Turin, Rybka 1.0 BETA vs. Gambit Fruit (heh), and Rybka 1.0 BETA vs. F9 - all draws. Does this suggest anything about their playing strength?
Yup, I agree with Arrakis on that, as I said.
And as I also said, at the level most of us are operating at here - including me - any one of a couple of dozen engines would be perfectly adequate for post-game analysis.
I merely pointed out that, in quantitative testing, Rybka 2.2 (even the single-processor version) is already comfortably outperforming Fritz 10.
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Originally posted by cmsMasterIf you ran several hundred games at a reasonable time control, then added your results to the many thousands of games the testers have already done using these engines, then yes, you will be able to conclude something about playing strength.
Today I set up engine matches with F9 v. Spike 1.2 Turin, Rybka 1.0 BETA vs. Gambit Fruit (heh), and Rybka 1.0 BETA vs. F9 - all draws. Does this suggest anything about their playing strength?
(Although we should all bear in mind that "playing strength" here refers to strength against other engines.)
Originally posted by dottewellHonestly, I got Fritz mostly for Playchess, but the analyzation is awesome as well, and Fritz seems to analyze as well as any engine so I'll stick with it. 😀
If you ran several hundred games at a reasonable time control, then added your results to the many, many thousands of games the testers have already done using these engines, then yes, you will be able to conclude something about playing strength.
(Although we should all bear in mind that "playing strength" here refers to strength against other engines.)
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Fritz 10 will be the second strongest engine when it is released. Rybka will of course still be on top. However, the new playchess and GUI features are what really attract me to this release. After all, I use Fritz's GUI for all my engines. SO yes, I will probably get it. It seems like a nice release.
I should also add that Rybka and Fritz are not really in direct competition. Rybka is a supplement to Fritz. It is meant to run in the Fritz GUI and would benefit from the same features as the Fritz engine. No need to reinvent the wheel. Of course, you could also use Arena, Chess Assistant and others. But it was made for Fritz and even comes with an opening book in the Chessbase format. And when it is engine vs engine, there is no contest, Rybka is the BEST by over 150 ELO points.
Originally posted by arrakisCome on guys... nobody gave me an answer on this!?
What are you talking about when you say your Fritz 9 subscription ran out? I have Fritz 8 and was considering updating but I've never had to renew a subscription!
Does Fritz 9 & 10 stop working w/o a renewal? Why would you need to renew a subscription for a program? Not like an anti-virus program.
Originally posted by arrakisThe subscription is for playchess not fritz. Some people just download the software for playchess and I'm pretty sure that it does run out after a year however I've never had it happen to me because I think there was something about fritz 8 that makes your subscription last a lifetime.
Come on guys... nobody gave me an answer on this!?
Does Fritz 9 & 10 stop working w/o a renewal? Why would you need to renew a subscription for a program? Not like an anti-virus program.
Originally posted by zebanoCrafty is no good for analysis. It plays pretty well but i tried using it in an adjournment and it was crap compared to fritz...
I'm doing just fine with Crafty and Rybka beta so I see no reason to buy this (and FICS). Then again, if my wife wants to buy it for me for Christmas, who am I to complain? 😀
Originally posted by MarinkatombI agree, Crafty is not very good in lines that aren't forced. This is why I use Rybka 2.2 for analysis. It's an amazing engine in complex positions with no forced moves. Of course, it's fine tactically, but positionally it completely outshines all the other engines.
Crafty is no good for analysis. It plays pretty well but i tried using it in an adjournment and it was crap compared to fritz...