Originally posted by najdorfslayerI never said other people wouldn't be mixed up by this move, I said I wouldn't. I research my openings really well, and I'm not a Najdorf player. I've played nearly everything, so I don't really care where my pieces have to go if it's the best square. Not to mention the positions have very little in common with the Najdorf at all, unless White tranposes. The fact that you're a Najdorf player means very little in this discussion.
No offence Tony but I disagree, a Najdorf player would be quite happy playing a6 and a Grand Prix Attack player doesn't play the opening to put his bishop on g2. a6 can be played against any of White's 3rd move options with a good position.
Originally posted by tomtom232I want to re-ask this question to see if I get better results.
Why play the GPA when you can just play the Yugoslav Attack to just about any Sicilian I think...although I haven't tried that against the scheveningen(sp?) or the Kan or really anything other than the Dragon and the Najdorf... You guys have played the paulsen I bet...what do you think of this line?
1.d4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.g4? I tried it against Amir Bagheri ...[text shortened]... tp://www.chesshere.com/ and he often plays the members there and even chats with them often. 🙂
Originally posted by !~TONY~!Oh I wasn't saying that since I played against a good player and got a good position that it has to be good...after all it was a blitz game and my main objective was to throw him off a little and it worked. You have a penchant for putting new openings that look weird on the bench without even giving them a chance. 😛
I don't particularly understand the point of this move without a knight on f6. I feel like it's premature, and dubious at best. I don't care who you played it against, there's no way this moves any good.
Originally posted by tomtom232I have a penchant for not believing in crap when it's clearly bad. There's literally no point to playing 3. g4. It doesn't develop a piece, it doesn't have a threat, and it basically permanently stops you from castling short, more common in the ...e6 sicilians than in the others. If you gave this move to me for free and let me play another, I don't think I'd take you up on that. Most people on this site have a penchant for playing absolutely garbage because it will "throw people off" or gain some kind of "psychological edge". I believe in playing principled, aggressive chess.
Oh I wasn't saying that since I played against a good player and got a good position that it has to be good...after all it was a blitz game and my main objective was to throw him off a little and it worked. You have a penchant for putting new openings that look weird on the bench without even giving them a chance. 😛
Originally posted by !~TONY~!Can you prove that it is clearly bad? I am looking for facts and not opinions here, that would be nice. 🙂
I have a penchant for not believing in crap when it's clearly bad. There's literally no point to playing 3. g4. It doesn't develop a piece, it doesn't have a threat, and it basically permanently stops you from castling short, more common in the ...e6 sicilians than in the others. If you gave this move to me for free and let me play another, I don't think I' ...[text shortened]... some kind of "psychological edge". I believe in playing principled, aggressive chess.
Originally posted by tomtom232Yes. I think it's should be somewhat obvious and intuitive that after something like 3...Nf6 4. Nc3 Nxg4 5. Rg1 Nf6 6. e5 Nd5, that White probably doesn't have enough for the pawn. Maybe a little bit, but I doubt it's enough.
Can you prove that it is clearly bad? I am looking for facts and not opinions here, that would be nice. 🙂
Originally posted by cmsMaster...Nd4 doesnt deserve a !..its the main line...and still black has to be very carefull in those lones..especially if they do something silly like take the bishop....at best black gets a messed up pawn structure with some counterplay..which makes it about even..
[b]That's probably going to be tough, black tends to choose setups with ...g6 ...Bg7 and ...Nd4 if he knows what he's doing.
i.e. 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Bb5 Nd4!
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Originally posted by Patzergrl"Most" Closed Sicilian's yes, but it depends on the system you play. I agree you usually play a5 if you play systems with 2...Nc6 3...g6 (normal main line stuff), but there are systems where Black plays a6, b5, e6 and d5.
huh? in most closed silician black ends up playing a5..so a6 seems like a waste of a tempo..
Seems people think there is only one way to play against the Closed Sicilian. 😕
P.S.Look at my rating, I have also played Sicilian OTB for 15yrs at a pretty high level so I do know what I am on about!!
Originally posted by PatzergrlJust because it's mainline doesn't mean it doesn't deserve !.
...Nd4 doesnt deserve a !..its the main line...and still black has to be very carefull in those lones..especially if they do something silly like take the bishop....at best black gets a messed up pawn structure with some counterplay..which makes it about even..
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All right! I have just finished a really fun GPA game - actually I got a SCALP - but he simply blunderred so not really.
But take a look. This is the Nc6...e6 central counter variation.
Game 4619480
You'll spot the blunder. The better move is 12...Rb8!? - it would have offerred a sharp and exciting game. Otherwise I got a good forced mate.
But it's for this reason I recommend it - they typically lead to strong tactical games like that was.
I enjoyed it - Capitalist - thanks.
Originally posted by tomtom232Weakens the king-side dark squaresfor no reason. Weakens f4 for no reason. Does nothing to further White's development. Loosens the kingside pawns for no reason. Does nothing to control the centre. Does nothing to impede Black's development/attempt to control the centre.
Can you prove that it is clearly bad? I am looking for facts and not opinions here, that would be nice. 🙂
Gains nothing, creates some problems - therefore I think it's safe to say it's "clearly bad". (By that I don't necessarily mean Black has a forced win).
btw: I'm assuming you meant 1. e4 not 1. d4.
Do you happen to have the score of the game or any part of the game continuation? I'd be interested to see it.