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  1. Subscriber moonbus
    Uber-Nerd
    04 Nov '17 15:14
    The final position is a book draw because the B is hamstrung by his own P and the Black K cannot get to the crucial squares f3 or h3 without stalemating the White K (who heads for the corner h1 and cannot be flushed out).

    53. … g3 was the clunker. Better would have been 53. … Bc7, and then if 54, Ke3, Kf6 etc.
  2. 04 Nov '17 15:57
    so there we have it
    all highly rated players with the exception of my2sons see it as a book draw
    thanks everyone
  3. Subscriber moonbus
    Uber-Nerd
    04 Nov '17 16:54 / 2 edits
    As a general principle in simplified endgames such as this one, leave yourself a shuttle move (in this case, by not trapping your own B against the edge of the board on one side and its own P on the other), as this will most likely force your opponent with a lone K to yield the opposition at some point. A "shuttle move" is one which does not strategically affect your position, but which may force the other player to strategically affect his own and is often the crucial aspect of setting up zugzwang.

    We all make mistakes. The key to advancement in chess is to learn from them and make more profound mistakes next time.

    Cheers,
    moonbus
  4. Subscriber moonbus
    Uber-Nerd
    04 Nov '17 18:22
    PS my2sons may have been referring to an earlier position, before the draw was certain.
  5. Subscriber LittleDonkey
    Little Donkey
    05 Nov '17 00:29
    Chess offers a unique opportunity in that you can project a fantasy version of yourself onto the game board. This is never more apparent than when you have just been battered OTB by Atilla the Hun and in the post match analysis he talks about his love of cushions.

    Sand-bagging is a choice usually made with a clear goal in mind. Offering a draw to an opponent after you were winning, then losing, then winning and knowing that he loves cushions shows that maybe you are more dancer than human.
  6. 05 Nov '17 01:50
    Originally posted by @moonbus
    PS my2sons may have been referring to an earlier position, before the draw was certain.
    no
    he stated that the position shown was a win for black
    he posted that once the king reached f4 the game was won
    he was of the opinion that get the king to h3 and sac the bishop was the winning line
    it was a line of play first posted by roma45
    the thread was deleted but there may be a way to view it
  7. Subscriber moonbus
    Uber-Nerd
    05 Nov '17 08:49 / 2 edits
    I did not see the original thread and do not know what variation he may have had in mind. My2sons is a strong player and may have seen something others missed. If there is win from the final position, it would be instructive to see it demonstrated.

    The following is a certain draw:




  8. 05 Nov '17 15:46
    I would invite my2sons to give his analysis
    maybe someone should message him
    we are not friends so I won't
  9. 07 Nov '17 10:00 / 1 edit

    A study by Steinitz from 1862. White to play and win.

  10. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    08 Nov '17 21:36 / 4 edits
    Originally posted by @greenpawn34

    A study by Steinitz from 1862. White to play and win.

    [fen]6k1/4K3/6PP/8/7B/8/8/7r w - - 0 1[/fen]
    1. h7+ then a) 1. ... Kh8 2. Bf6# b) 1. ... Kg7 2. Bf6+ Kh6 3. h8=Q or R#.
    , although I must admit I can't remember if I've seen this before or not.
  11. 09 Nov '17 01:45
    What about Kxg6?
  12. 09 Nov '17 10:32
    Originally posted by @lemondrop
    no
    he stated that the position shown was a win for black
    he posted that once the king reached f4 the game was won
    he was of the opinion that get the king to h3 and sac the bishop was the winning line
    it was a line of play first posted by roma45
    the thread was deleted but there may be a way to view it
    I concur
  13. 09 Nov '17 11:30
    Although it is a study by Steinitz. It is infact a mate in 10.
    It is relevant to this thread because it can transpose to a
    possible variation in the stem game, if defended poorly.