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  1. 03 Nov '17 19:59 / 1 edit
    I need your help
    in the clans forum a thread accusing me of sandbagging because of a draw is being debated
    in your opinion was the game a win or draw for me

    the game 12376403
    I don't know how to transfer the game, sorry
  2. Subscriber roma45
    st johnstone
    03 Nov '17 22:07
    Originally posted by @lemondrop
    I need your help
    in the clans forum a thread accusing me of sandbagging because of a draw is being debated
    in your opinion was the game a win or draw for me

    the game 12376403
    I don't know how to transfer the game, sorry
    Game 12376403
  3. 03 Nov '17 22:14
    Originally posted by @roma45
    Game 12376403
    thank you
  4. Subscriber sundown316
    The Mighty Messenger
    04 Nov '17 00:24 / 1 edit
  5. Subscriber sundown316
    The Mighty Messenger
    04 Nov '17 00:28 / 1 edit
    No, you can't win so long as he keeps his king on g2/h1
  6. 04 Nov '17 01:13
    Originally posted by @sundown316
    No, you can't win so long as he keeps his king on g2/h1
    that was my thinking
    but others see a forced win with a bishop sac
  7. Subscriber sundown316
    The Mighty Messenger
    04 Nov '17 01:52
    Only if White accepts the Bishop sac, which he is not forced to do
  8. Subscriber vandervelde
    medieval punk rocker
    04 Nov '17 02:40
    What happened to the thread in Clans forum? And with my post?
    It's a draw in final position. White can play for ever Kh1-Kg2.
    Black could have won with 53....Ke7 instead of 53. ...g3.
  9. Subscriber vandervelde
    medieval punk rocker
    04 Nov '17 02:46
    Amazing: it was impossible to retrieve even cache screenshot of the deleted thread.
  10. Subscriber vandervelde
    medieval punk rocker
    04 Nov '17 03:12
    A piece of proof::
    https://s1.postimg.org/7jbw0wara7/deleted_thread_clans_forum.jpg
  11. 04 Nov '17 03:13 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @vandervelde
    What happened to the thread in Clans forum? And with my post?
    It's a draw in final position. White can play for ever Kh1-Kg2.
    Black could have won with 53....Ke7 instead of 53. ...g3.
    the moderators are coming down hard on threads that are personal in their attacks which is good
    but at least the debate can continue here and I thank you for your response which I think is correct
  12. 04 Nov '17 03:20
    in the clans forum there was a player my2sons rated 2000 or so who claimed the game was a win for black
    another player mg55 rated 1900 or so who claimed it was a draw
    so we have two highly rated players with opposite opinions on the endgame outcome
  13. Subscriber roma45
    st johnstone
    04 Nov '17 07:48
    Originally posted by @lemondrop
    in the clans forum there was a player my2sons rated 2000 or so who claimed the game was a win for black
    another player mg55 rated 1900 or so who claimed it was a draw
    so we have two highly rated players with opposite opinions on the endgame outcome
    Most players would take the draw in that position. I would.
    But I was at s tournament a few months ago
    Two players had a similar position draw agreed.
    Plenty of mixed opinions but one guy who did analysis. Showed how it could be done.
    The bishop is the main piece. Gives you a waiting move. If the sac is refused the bishop can be moved away from interference
    I wish I could do the greenpawn thing showing how the game could end with comments but I can't figure that out.
  14. Subscriber Ragwort On Vacation
    Ex Duris Gloria
    04 Nov '17 08:35
  15. 04 Nov '17 13:09
    Suddenly I 'm an arbiter!

    All I can see is these two have played each other 30+ times
    since 2010. Most have gone to a positive result.

    But that many games with the same player and after a while
    you are bound to form some of friendship or rapport with an opponent.
    and sometimes a player will feel he has swindled a win and agree a draw.

    I know this because of some of the feedback I get from the blog where the
    player says he allowed a stalemate or agreed a draw in a won position
    because they had been offered a draw in the twin game they were losing.

    I reply all I have is the bare score and no background.

    I personally do not think sandbagging is a serious matter here.
    There is no money at stake and I'm sure some do it to avoid
    getting slaughtered if they have to enter a higher rated tournament.
    The alternative is suddenly making yourself stronger and then
    we get to murky ground of a player suddenly using a computer.


    I'm not saying that is the case here. It's an RHP game where players,
    who not quite so strong (no harm intended) are playing many games at
    the same time and blunders are very frequent.

    Also, as I said there is no background and these two have agreed
    a draw before in a won position.

    Game 11701404 Final postion


    this position from the game in question is a draw no matter who has the move.



    So I reckon it's a storm in tea cup and ignore it. If everyone
    who threw a won game on here by mistake or even on purpose
    and the game was looked at we would all be sandbaggers.

    One could say I sandbagged when I offered an accepted draw in a won position
    Game 12325962 because I blundered my Queen and was disgusted with myself.

    Final position. Black to play.