greenpawn34

I need your help
in the clans forum a thread accusing me of sandbagging because of a draw is being debated
in your opinion was the game a win or draw for me

the game 12376403
I don't know how to transfer the game, sorry

Originally posted by @roma45
Game 12376403

thank you

No, you can't win so long as he keeps his king on g2/h1

Originally posted by @sundown316
No, you can't win so long as he keeps his king on g2/h1

that was my thinking
but others see a forced win with a bishop sac

Only if White accepts the Bishop sac, which he is not forced to do

What happened to the thread in Clans forum? And with my post?
It's a draw in final position. White can play for ever Kh1-Kg2.
Black could have won with 53....Ke7 instead of 53. ...g3.

Amazing: it was impossible to retrieve even cache screenshot of the deleted thread.

A piece of proof::
https://s1.postimg.org/7jbw0wara7/deleted_thread_clans_forum.jpg

Originally posted by @vandervelde
What happened to the thread in Clans forum? And with my post?
It's a draw in final position. White can play for ever Kh1-Kg2.
Black could have won with 53....Ke7 instead of 53. ...g3.

the moderators are coming down hard on threads that are personal in their attacks which is good
but at least the debate can continue here and I thank you for your response which I think is correct

in the clans forum there was a player my2sons rated 2000 or so who claimed the game was a win for black
another player mg55 rated 1900 or so who claimed it was a draw
so we have two highly rated players with opposite opinions on the endgame outcome

Originally posted by @lemondrop
in the clans forum there was a player my2sons rated 2000 or so who claimed the game was a win for black
another player mg55 rated 1900 or so who claimed it was a draw
so we have two highly rated players with opposite opinions on the endgame outcome

Most players would take the draw in that position. I would.
But I was at s tournament a few months ago
Two players had a similar position draw agreed.
Plenty of mixed opinions but one guy who did analysis. Showed how it could be done.
The bishop is the main piece. Gives you a waiting move. If the sac is refused the bishop can be moved away from interference
I wish I could do the greenpawn thing showing how the game could end with comments but I can't figure that out.

Suddenly I 'm an arbiter!

All I can see is these two have played each other 30+ times
since 2010. Most have gone to a positive result.

But that many games with the same player and after a while
you are bound to form some of friendship or rapport with an opponent.
and sometimes a player will feel he has swindled a win and agree a draw.

I know this because of some of the feedback I get from the blog where the
player says he allowed a stalemate or agreed a draw in a won position
because they had been offered a draw in the twin game they were losing.

I reply all I have is the bare score and no background.

I personally do not think sandbagging is a serious matter here.
There is no money at stake and I'm sure some do it to avoid
getting slaughtered if they have to enter a higher rated tournament.
The alternative is suddenly making yourself stronger and then
we get to murky ground of a player suddenly using a computer.


I'm not saying that is the case here. It's an RHP game where players,
who not quite so strong (no harm intended) are playing many games at
the same time and blunders are very frequent.

Also, as I said there is no background and these two have agreed
a draw before in a won position.

Game 11701404 Final postion


this position from the game in question is a draw no matter who has the move.



So I reckon it's a storm in tea cup and ignore it. If everyone
who threw a won game on here by mistake or even on purpose
and the game was looked at we would all be sandbaggers.

One could say I sandbagged when I offered an accepted draw in a won position
Game 12325962 because I blundered my Queen and was disgusted with myself.

Final position. Black to play.