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Weyerstrass is starless... hope he isn't leaving!
Weyerstrass is starless... hope he isn't leaving!
The post that was quoted here has been removedI've only played one person who has now been banned for engine use. I have my questions about a number of middle rated players who I personally believe use an engine on just the occasional move, and not always (making it harder to catch). Frankly though, I don't really care... engines give me just as good if not better a game than non engines, right?
Originally posted by ih8sensWell I know for a fact that Fat Lady is rated around 2100 OTB.
... engines give me just as good if not better a game than non engines, right?
Originally posted by Squelchbelchmost modern grandmaster chess may as well be engine vs. engine... that's all the new masters are.. memory freaks.. they have people study stuff with engines and then memorize the lines. I have very little respect for modern masters.. Kasparov excluded.
Well I know for a fact that Fat Lady is rated around 2100 OTB.
His rating here is just over 2100 as well.
Thing is, on here you are much more likely to be playing an engine the higher your own rating (unless you wish to play much lower rateds for some odd reason) & since engines play an utterly different game to human players playing engines regular ...[text shortened]... e said something like analyse with an engine, but don't play against it for this reason.
Originally posted by ih8sensYes but get to 2000 on here & play a tactical opening like the Traxler & you will just get hammered all the time by engines without learning diddly-squat.
most modern grandmaster chess may as well be engine vs. engine... that's all the new masters are.. memory freaks.. they have people study stuff with engines and then memorize the lines. I have very little respect for modern masters.. Kasparov excluded.
Originally posted by Squelchbelch... I'm almost convinced the Traxler is perfectly sound... I've been looking at it a lot recently. Even if white takes with the bishop (probably best), black gets a great game.
Yes but get to 2000 on here & play a tactical opening like the Traxler & you will just get hammered all the time by engines without learning diddly-squat.
The post that was quoted here has been removedHe let me know a while ago.
Originally posted by ih8sensYes it is a fabulous counter-attacking opening.
... I'm almost convinced the Traxler is perfectly sound... I've been looking at it a lot recently. Even if white takes with the bishop (probably best), black gets a great game.
Originally posted by SquelchbelchThough I agree that in this community where the prohibition of engine use is agreed upon, to use engines during play is completely unethical, I don't like all those statements about engines being "not playing human chess" etc.
Well I know for a fact that Fat Lady is rated around 2100 OTB.
His rating here is just over 2100 as well.
Thing is, on here you are much more likely to be playing an engine the higher your own rating (unless you wish to play much lower rateds for some odd reason) & since engines play an utterly different game to human players playing engines regular ...[text shortened]... e said something like analyse with an engine, but don't play against it for this reason.
Originally posted by ih8senswhat you're talking about is just opening preperation, and I completely agree with you about that, but you cannot generalize this to the point "grandmasters play engine-like games." I think, what really is going on is that as the years and decades pass, grandmasters become better and better in calculation ability, tactics, accuracy etc, and to me it's the wrong approach to interpret this as "they don't play with the soul", or "chess is losing it's artistry" etc. things are just getting on a higher level, that's all.
most modern grandmaster chess may as well be engine vs. engine... that's all the new masters are.. memory freaks.. they have people study stuff with engines and then memorize the lines. I have very little respect for modern masters.. Kasparov excluded.
Originally posted by diskamylI have to agree strongly with this point. When I started getting into chess a few years ago one of the first things I noticed was the chess communities complaints about top level chess with comments like "chess is Fritzed out" and I found this quite discouraging.
what you're talking about is just opening preperation, and I completely agree with you about that, but you cannot generalize this to the point "grandmasters play engine-like games." I think, what really is going on is that as the years and decades pass, grandmasters become better and better in calculation ability, tactics, accuracy etc, and to me it's the w ...[text shortened]... is losing it's artistry" etc. things are just getting on a higher level, that's all.