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  1. Standard member PBE6
    Bananarama
    20 Sep '10 13:31
    I lost the following game on time (which is perfectly fine, as I did agree to the time limit and neglected to factor in my then-upcoming vacation), but I thought I had a good shot at this one. I played white. Any comments are welcome!

  2. Donation ketchuplover
    G.O.A.T.
    20 Sep '10 14:06
    Qh4 looks troublesome imho
  3. Standard member PBE6
    Bananarama
    20 Sep '10 18:27 / 1 edit
    EDIT: Oops...
  4. Standard member PBE6
    Bananarama
    20 Sep '10 18:39 / 1 edit
    Here's the game again with a few comments for discussion:

  5. 20 Sep '10 19:36
    12..........h6 would have given you mate in one!
  6. Standard member PBE6
    Bananarama
    20 Sep '10 19:51
    Originally posted by michael liddle
    12..........h6 would have given you mate in one!
    Whoops! ๐Ÿ˜ณ Hehe...well, technically it would have been better for me! Sloppy note-making on my part. I would like to say that I meant to say 12. ... g6, but that would leave quite a few holes on the dark squares on black's kingside, so it wouldn't be the soundest.

    My bad on that one. ๐Ÿ˜ณ
  7. Subscriber Ragwort
    Ex Duris Gloria
    20 Sep '10 20:45
    Did you consider 16. Bxe6 fxe6 17. Nxe6 forking Q and R at all. There are similar motifs in the Caro Kann (Tal Botvinnik), Sicilian Defence and the Queens Gambit Accepted...

    Can't say it is winning but you will have 2P and R for B + N and Black is still a little tangled.
  8. Standard member PBE6
    Bananarama
    20 Sep '10 21:09
    Originally posted by Ragwort
    Did you consider 16. Bxe6 fxe6 17. Nxe6 forking Q and R at all. There are similar motifs in the Caro Kann (Tal Botvinnik), Sicilian Defence and the Queens Gambit Accepted...

    Can't say it is winning but you will have 2P and R for B + N and Black is still a little tangled.
    I considered 16. Bxe6 but 16. ... Nxc5! looks good for black. After 17. dxc4 Bxe6 18. cxd6 Qxd6 19. Rfd1 Qc7 black looks to have a slight advantage due to the B vs. N scenario, while 17. Bxc8 Nxc8 18. dxc5 Ne7 (and heading for d5) looks pretty decent for black as well. Starting the other way round is more forcing, with 16. Nxe6 fxe6 17. Bxe6+, but after 17. ... Kh8 white's attack seems to fizzle.
  9. Subscriber Ragwort
    Ex Duris Gloria
    21 Sep '10 08:16
    Originally posted by PBE6
    I considered 16. Bxe6 but 16. ... Nxc5! looks good for black... while 17. Bxc8 Nxc8 18. dxc5 Ne7 (and heading for d5) looks pretty decent for black as well....
    But aren't you a pawn up now?
  10. Standard member PBE6
    Bananarama
    21 Sep '10 14:03 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Ragwort
    But aren't you a pawn up now?
    That's true, the line 16. Bxe6 Nxc5 17. Bxc8 Nxc8 18. dxc5 Ne7 does leave white a pawn up.


    I still don't like it though, as all black's pieces are tied up before the exchanges but have full mobility afterwards. This should be adequate compensation for the pawn. I also think it will be difficult to exploit the extra material with all the heavy artillery still on the board, and with black's knight able to grab a great outpost on d5 where white will have to spend considerable time trying to make his knight useful. My guess is that a draw isn't far off.

    You do make a good point though, extra material is a long term plus that may be enough for white to tip the balance decidedly in his favour is the tactics/dynamics work out. Any strong players here want to weigh in on this question?
  11. 22 Sep '10 02:35 / 1 edit
    from the final position r-e2(r-e1 and both rooks are hanging-not necessarily bad. But, when you can have everything protected do it. and q-h3 (with idea of g4 are what draw my attention) can't seem to figure out the best move order
  12. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    22 Sep '10 05:40
    Originally posted by PBE6
    EDIT: Oops...
    I was looking at 28 Exf5 and I thought instead of taking, pushing would have given you a real strategic advantage. Anyone else comment on that? Protected passed pawn looked pretty good to me.
  13. Standard member PBE6
    Bananarama
    23 Sep '10 13:19 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I was looking at 28 Exf5 and I thought instead of taking, pushing would have given you a real strategic advantage. Anyone else comment on that? Protected passed pawn looked pretty good to me.
    I looked at that too, as I liked the idea of keeping that passed pawn stuck right in the middle of black's position, but I wasn't sure how to go about attacking the kingside afterwards. Do you see a clear path after 28. e5?
  14. 23 Sep '10 16:26
    Not a clear path no, but I don't see a clear path after exf5 either. I wouldn't say either has a clear advantage over the other. It's not as if that d-pawn is lacking protection!
  15. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    23 Sep '10 16:44
    Originally posted by PBE6
    I looked at that too, as I liked the idea of keeping that passed pawn stuck right in the middle of black's position, but I wasn't sure how to go about attacking the kingside afterwards. Do you see a clear path after 28. e5?
    One scenario could be 28 e5 c5 double attacking the a pawn and if you want to save it, forces you to either push or protect with b3 or Q c4 , the idea there would be black wants to get his bishop on c6 and with both white pawns advanced, the black bishop would have a commanding view of that diagonal. So any attack would have to take that into account. I am just doing this from memory so I haven't looked very deep for sure๐Ÿ™‚